MY alignment is also consistent with my role name.
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Hi all! This is just to let everyone know I’m here and I got my role pm. I’ll post actual thoughts later on today but I am heading to work immediately after sending this.
**Vote Count:
Chronos(1): Specialed
Suburban(6): Telcontar, RedSkeezix, Hoopy, Oredigger, Pleonast, Cucuy
USCDiver(3): Chronos, Drainbead, Gadarene
Nanook(1): Peeker
Peeker(1): Suburban
Astral(3): OneandOnly, USCDiver, Nanook
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The “Vig the confusing” isn’t a new strategy. In Meeko’s earlier games, I fully supported that course of action. His posting style wasn’t what you see today. Just have a look at Lost or Crimson Glyph. You can just search for his posts in that thread.
So, I understand Pleo’s approach. All of peeper’s posts do make it difficult to understand what his actual opinions in the game itself are aside from that he thinks it appropriate to reply with snark and sarcasm to topics of conversation that aren’t to his liking.
OK, let me put to rest this all Vanilla Role PMs may not be the same.
As I’m an outed Vanilla Town, here is my role PM. It’s useless for handshaking at this point.
If any other Vanilla is up for lynch, please before dying tell us if your PM is identical to mine aside from the role Name, which I’ve deleted.
now who is it in past games that has basically hammered anyone for unprovoked vanilla claims? care to remind me ed?
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and i agree that “vig the confusing” and “lynch the loud” are strategies that have been employed primarily on this board.
not sure how they have panned out when it comes to helping a town victory.
and if my comments come off as “snark and sarcasm” then i apologize. they are more what i would call caustic wit.
back in a bit.
Why is this helpful?
Just a specific example. Fully hidden Masons shouldn’t claim as a general rule until it’s time to narrow the unconfirmed pool. (This usually happens about the time the Detective comes out, and a good rule of thumb is if the Detective can confirm 3 townies, he should reveal.)
However, if the masonry is down to two or less, an earlier claim might be warranted, since a sole claiming mason is useless. But really, only one mason will need to claim in that case, since the important part is knowing the numbers of masons, more than who they are. Revealing the players too early gives scum a nice roadmap for earlier kills. As long as the numbers of masons are revealed, scum are hard-pressed to false claim mason. Because if they do, the real masons will counter, and a one-for-one mason for scum trade is a winner for town. Then when it’s time to narrow the unconfirmed pool, the remaining masons can fully claim as above.
Probably not. Very little in mafia is ever concrete. But it is a large part a game of odds. It’s more likely than not that Chronos was informed of a player who is town. And if not, there is no doubt still a reason why he knows of this player. Otherwise, there doesn’t seem much reason for Mahaloth to have given him it. Red Herrings, while not necessarily bastard, frequently make a game annoying and/or unfun.
Mafia is also a game where the layman interpretation of Occam’s Razor frequently comes into play. The simpler explanation is usually the right one.
I’d like to add, where exactly were you ‘outed’ as Vanilla Town? Apparently I missed that.
Special Ed has to be either VT or scum (or 3rd party…) with access to a VT PM in order to make an attempt at handshaking with other VTs. And anyone who said their last section matched Special Ed’s last section had to have the same “You have no other powers beyond daily voting for lynching.” phrase in their PM thus “outing” themselves as VT.
OK. So he wasn’t so much outed in the past; rather he claimed to be vanilla earlier, and he is outing himself now by supplying the PM for other Vanillas to compare.
It’s interesting that you say this. I think it’s true that Occam’s razor usually applies…but at the same time, we’re all constantly looking for the subtle points that ‘give someone away’. We find the one phrase in a thousand word post that is ‘inconsistent’ and generate a page worth of discussion on it, and more often than not in the end the explanation comes down to “somebody misspoke”.
Not arguing for or against what you said (or the fact that you said it)…I just find the concept fascinating.
We’re about 48 hours out and still missing a lot of votes. Let’s try to get them in.
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i agree that ed could be anything that has access to a vt pm, assuming they would all be identical. however, i think it is a leap to conclude that he is an outed vt.
and total metagame. but ed typically has chastised others for unprovoked vt claims in other games (based on my memory). so this behavior is really inconsistent and has me puzzling with what is up.
Your point really doesn’t have anything to do with my argument, which is there’s evidence that MHaye has been posting in another thread. But MHaye has already answered your question:
That reason works equally well if he is town or scum.
I didn’t figure it out, but I have a history of not getting acronyms. (I was lynched in another game for thinking “VT” meant “vigilante” instead of “vanilla town”.)
But my argument against MHaye isn’t about whether anyone could understand him. It’s about why he’d use an acronym without explanation. The only plausible answer is that it is being used on another board. That means he’s more likely to be scum. Hence my vote (or would-be vote since the moderator has a silly ban against multi-voting).
peeker was town. :smack: But that doesn’t mean his posting style is not anti-town. And it does not mean he is town this time. peeker can post usefully: 670–simple and to-the-point. Which is unfortunately not like most of his posts.
I’m all for the lynch of Plankton, but this is terrible reasoning. peeker is not an active participant in this game. Yes, he has a lot of posts, but most of them have little to nothing to do with playing the game. Participating means engaging in discussions, not mouthing off-topic comments.
Not true. A sole Mason is still useful to town as a confirmable townie. But not nearly as useful as more Masons.
Hey, I just wanted to let you guys know I’m traveling for the rest of the week and will be limited to posting on my phone so my spelling and grammer will suck more then usual. But I’m reading along so feel free to poke me and if I see something important I’ll post something consise.
OK, first of all, special ed’s PM does match USCDiver’s four Ds handshake. This weakens my case on him enough that I will
Unvote USCDiver
I’ll have to take a look at the other cases (and the thread in general) before re-voting. In retrospect, it was a mistake to wait until the end of Day 1 to start taking my detailed notes (I think this game is already longer than Harry Potter).
Second, it looks like special ed and Suburban Plankton, who were the biggest critics of me revealing the role-name I know, have since come around. Given that the consensus is so strong, I think it’s safe for me to move my decision up.
I know who Aragorn is. I think that it is reasonable to assume that Aragorn is Town, and it’s also probably pretty likely that he’s a power role (though what sort, I’m not sure: I could reasonably see him as either a doctor or some sort of information-gatherer).
Aragorn, if you do end up needing to claim, please do so with enough time left in the Day for me to confirm my hashcrumb. It’d look pretty bad for me if you claimed and I didn’t have enough time to do that.
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so you have assumed the arbiter of what is “anti-town” from chronos it appears.
ok, let me be very clear then for you. soft fracking claims stink. they run along the lines of don’t dick with me because that would be very bad for town. is there not a lot of scum motivation in that?
and i approach this game like a single guy in a bar approaches someone he wants to hook up with.
i like subtlety and if that is not your cup of tea that sounds like your problem, not mine. seriously, i have gotten laid more often by commenting on her hair style or how good the dress looks than by just coming straight out with: “wanna fuck?”
and if you want some more lack of subtelty i think ed’s little gambit was a piece of turd. if scum were provided a sample of a vt pm, if in fact they are consistent, was pure genius from a scum stand point. they get to identify a whole bunch of non power town roles and reduce the pile they shoot in. all the while looking like “confirmed vt” while performing this handshake thing. and i see a whole pisspot of scum motivation in that activity.