**Chronos **has said he is confident that the Player/Role name he knows is Town aligned, but I don’t recall him saying he was confident he could discern whether they had a Power role or not. Can you point me to that post?
I think there were leaders of orc bands, but I don’t think any were named. I could be mistaken
Except in the ways in which I already detailed. It can also put to rest the question does role name indicate alignment.
In Ula’s LotR game on Facebook, Gandalf was a Doc who came back as a Cop (or maybe the other way around). Santo Rugger had the role, and claimed Mason, I was a real mason and led a lynch of him immediately.
Really? I think it’s safe to predict that we might have 4 deaths by Day 3. IN a game this large, I certainly hope we average 2 deaths per Day. That’s only 1 death that isn’t caused by a lynch. That’s a good thing. And it’s not so slow that well be playing until the end of the 4th Age
It’s only evidence that Chronos thinks so.
And didn’t he say he could tell the alignment, not the power? Or did I miss something else too?
I appreciate this assessment. I think you may be onto something here
I have no idea whether any townie has an incongruent name/alignment. That’s the whole point of the request. If they do, then I’m going to assume that town isn’t full of blithering idiots, and thus won’t lynch someone because of a silly and fairly baseless assumption about how the mods made the game. As for whether scum or third party would preferentially kill…I really don’t see why they would. And, if they did, I have no reason to assume that those town are of any greater benefit to town than other town (if anything, possibly less).
Jeez you’re nuts. Lynch day 1. Night kill night 1. Lynch day 2. Night kill night 2. 4 dead. "Most likely’ because of third parties and doctors.
And it is a meta game point. In lost we debated this as prelude to a name claim (as a name claim would be pointless if alignments didn’t match). We couldn’t find any harm then. I don’t see any harm in an alignment claim now, unless town is stupid or scum is lucky (and scum luck is, to the best of my knowledge, constant). Also if there are a substantial number of “no match” responses then Chronos’s information will have to be seen in a different light.
In the above post I almost seconded Diver’s analysis, but decided not to. I see now that Ed did, and wanted to toss my hat in the ring as well. I’m comfortable with my vote, but I’m doing a reread of astral first thing Tomorrow (that’s two, bleh).
He is a new player though, right? That colors things.
What I actually said was that it was likely to be able to determine that, not that I was confident. It is, of course, possible that I’m wrong.
As to the question of whether to name the role: The way I see it, the best I can hope to get out of my power is to confirm this other person, and possibly also myself. A confirmed Townie can expect to get Night-killed by the Scum; there’s no shame in that. So if I can set things up so that the other person is confirmed regardless of whether I’m Night-killed, then I’ve done my job.
Now, if I say the name of the role and nothing else, and then die toNight: I’ll be revealed as Town, so everyone will know I was telling the truth, and that the role I specified really is in the game. If, after that point, a Scum claims that role, then we can expect that the real person will counter-claim, since catching a Scum in a lie is pretty much always worth exposing a power role: Town either ends up lynching the Scum on the first try, or at worst, kills both of them. So, since a Scum who claims will be counter-claimed, we can assume that if someone claims that role and isn’t counter-claimed, then that person is confirmed. And the decision of when to become confirmed is left in the hands of the single person best-qualified to make that decision, which is also good.
Now, to address ed’s concern, that I’m looking for a specific character, for some nefarious reason: When the person with that role does eventually claim, I’ll either be still alive, or dead. If I’m dead, then I’m obviously no threat to that person. And if I’m alive, then I was either lying or telling the truth when I originally said that I knew who had that role. If I was telling the truth, then I obviously wasn’t hunting for that person, since I’ve already found em. If I was lying, then that would become evident when I either fail to confirm my hashcrumb, or I confirm it and it doesn’t say who the person was, and I get killed that Day. In other words: If I die before the other person claims, or if I’m still alive when the other person claims but was honest, or if I’m still alive when the other person claims but was lying, in any of those situations I’m no threat to the person.
@Chronos: Just for completeness sake - unless you have a day power or other odd wincon. I think the odds of that are sufficiently low, however.
Because a couple people asked, here is the exact quote from Post 436:
So, yes, you said it was ‘very likely’, not that you were ‘confident’. That’s what I get for not taking the time to search for the post earlier. And technically, you didn’t say that *you *would be able to deduce anything, only that the Scum could…but I’m willing to bet you’re at least as smart as they are…
Now that we have that cleared up…
I was taught to stick up for what I believe is right, even if nobody else does. I was also told to admit when I’m wrong.
I’ve been doing the former for a few days now, but I’m not so stubborn as to completely ignore all of the arguments put forth against me. So, I was wrong. I underestimated the potential benefit. I agree that it would be best for Chronos to reveal the name Today.
I stand firm in thinking that there is no benefit to a mass alignment claim. I still think there is no way anyone is going to claim that their role does not match the canon. And I think that a mass name claim is an actively bad idea, because I think it would give the Scum too many pointers toward the Town Power Roles.
I said that while I didn’t have a correct understanding of what was said. I apparently mis-read. I didn’t know that you claimed to know who had the rolename that you knew.
I can still think of a few nefarious reasons for your actions, and I still only have your word that you know what you do know.
I will be looking things over, and I can say it’s more than possible that my vote will move off of you at some point, as others have done things that make me more suspicious. But that will wait. After my brief 12 week vacation, work starts ion the morning.
You mean the further examination I did, which then caused me to unvote you?
My two major reasons for voting for him are 1) his claim and 2) his idea. Most of the people in this game are content to ignore his claim, far more than could be scum alone. Same goes for his mass claim idea; more people than could be just scum are telling me that discussing his idea can have pro-town ramifications. I don’t know enough at this point to argue either issue, and neither of my points are terribly damning anyway. Therefore, I’m content to unvote him. Hell, I might vote for him again before the day is over, who knows?
Last post for tonight, I promise!
I’d like to point out that only 45 minutes passed between my vote and unvote for USCDiver. There could absolutely be scum motivation there; perhaps it was a defensive vote, designed to protect one of my scum allies that I then thought better of. Somebody suggested just such a thing up above.
But there’s also town motivation. Last night, I read Chronos’ post and really got behind it. It made sense to me, so I excitedly made my first vote of the game. To my mind, that’s what votes are for; I find something suspicious, and I vote. I can always change my mind later. Then I checked some other threads here on the straight dope. And as I was surfing around, I thought, hell, why am I trusting Chronos? I should take a look at what I’m agreeing to. And, as I’ve written many, many times, I went back to the post in question and noticed my mistake.
Lastly, I’d like to remind everyone that I read Harry Potter Mafia, and I was spoiled for most of it. The mistake someone upthread accused me of making is exactly the same mistake Omi made that netted town two scum. I find it doubtful that I’d make the same mistake IF I were scum, but stranger accidents have happened. I won’t even pretend to present that as evidence of my innocence, but it is something to keep in mind. I hope it doesn’t seem too scummy to point that out. 
My role name is also in line with the canon.
And I think it’s safe to assume that Boromir would be considered “good”, in canon. That is not to say he’d unequivocally be on the side of town in this game. And incidentally, it was The Ring that “recruited” both Boromir and Frodo to the sides of evil (as well as Smeagol/Gollum). It’s possible that all three roles, in this game, could feasibly follow canon and yet not be who we think they are.
What I’m trying to say is that scum may have been given cover roles roles to make them appear town; and these covers may be similar, with the exception of having different names. Meanwhile, vanilla townies are given PMs that spell out their name/role, alignment, and wincon, but no two VT PMs are identical word-for-word. This would foil scum if two or more posted cover PMs, since they’d be identical and town could call them out on that.
But unless we know this to be true (which we don’t, at this point), then using handshakes to confirm town could be the wrong move if town PMs are not of the same template. But I think the last section of PMs is pretty much identical among both town and scum, so using that part for hashing could prove very useful.
It’s been discussed that scum may have been given VT PMs. If that’s true, now they have a bit of WiFOM on how to use them.
I still find it odd that you would call out the lurkers for their apparent lack of participation, and then claiming you don’t have anything against them, but then you vote on the one person because he is the most active participant in the game.
Vote Suburban Plankton
for pointing at a lot of things but not committing to one point in general.
“Swedes Are Handsome Men”? 
(Yes, I’m Swedish.)
I understood MHaye’s acronym the moment I read it. There’s been more than one post mentioning “Sauron and his minions.” As for his reply on why he choose to use it, I’m not convinced it’s a slip. I may be missing something here.
I’m curious: what was his alignment at that time?
I think attacking peeker based upon his posting style is more reactive than helpful. From what I can tell (and my experience playing with him is limited to one game), he hasn’t ducked any questions and is carrying the discussions in his own inimitable manner.