ok, i am going out on a limb here, but what is new.
i don’t think ed is scum. he fucking causes me all sorts of intestinal distress but so does broccoli so that is kind of a null tell.
vote wanderer for the same reason as yesterday. that just sounded totally off. plus he is right in the wheelhouse of where i would expect scum to be.
neta: and i want to make this clear. ed is there something that you can’t talk about or something you have been requested to not talk about by the mod?
i understand that is open to interpretation, but i just have to know what your read is.
**Vote Count:
AstralRejection(2): Redskeezix, Specialed
SpecialEd(3): Chronos, Chipacabra, Meeko
Chipacabra(2): Hoopy, Gadarene
OneandOnly(1): Peeker
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In a recent game on the Giraffe. The moderators came close to mod-killing me for coming too close to breaking the spirit of their rules.
***Parts Snipped.
**And we are protecting Peeker here because? **
The way I see it, Pleonast needs to share a few things with us from last night. I will be popping the popcorn for when he does. There will come a time when he will have to back up his magic bag. If he can’t, then you will have the answer to the second part of your quote above.
Unless, Chronos, you don’t think Pleonast has anything useful to say?
Well I guess this puts me in the upper half, even with Telcontar and Plankton offing it.
Ed : Would you say that Peeker is being Pro-game, this game? I mean, if not-posting is anti-game, Peeker must be playing one of his best this time around. :dubious:
No, I’m just suggesting a strategy for a possible Vigilante. We can vote off the lurkers, but that doesn’t give us much information about why people voted the way they did. It’s not so easy to determine if the people voting are Town or not. Unless the result is that a Scum is killed. Then, maybe there’s a little bit to be gleaned from it, but probably not enough with the possibility of bussing.
Sure, peeker is playing the game. Being Town or not is a different matter.
Wait. Wait. Wait.
Screeching Brakes.
Peeker gets a pass here, but Nanook and MHaye Don’t?!
I wonder if you can’t Sudoku-ize Mafia. If you could, I would lump Nanook and MHaye together as Town, and move Peeker closer to Ed as anti-town.
Meeko, I think you fail to understand.
See, what I said was that I consider MHaye and Nanook to be players who participate despite a lower post count. I didn’t make any reference to their alignment. They could be Town, Scum, or other. As could peeker. I’m talking about lurkers. Lurkers can be of any alignment.
Yeah, I remember Disney mafia on giraffe. I think maybe half of the scum team were posting once or twice if at all in the day threads but still putting in their various actions on the scum board. I seem to recall town hurting from a lynch the loud philosophy in that game.
The whole tone of the ed/peeker argument smells of townie on townie to me. I get a strong sense of frustration on both their parts.
Quoth ed:
What have I said that gives you that impression? Of course Scum can make mistakes, no matter what information they have.
While I’m here… This whole “I’ve got a secret” business from ed: So far as I can tell, ed is implying that Mahaloth accidentally gave him some information that he shouldn’t have, and so swore him to secrecy. But apparently, one implication of the information ed got is that he will automatically distrust anyone claiming Glorfindel, and he’s proclaiming that bit of it from the rooftops. If Mahaloth forbade him sharing any of the secret information he gained, why is he still allowed to say that part, which certainly has game implications?
For that matter, it took him a while to start talking about Glorfindel, which would presumably mean that he waited to ask Mahaloth permission before saying that much. But before he had that permission, why say anything at all? Why post the “I’m waiting to see if Mahaloth lets me do what I want to do” post?
Well, first of all, and I realize this is not very helpful, but I’ve played with Ed before and this sort of thing is pretty standard for him. So part of me says, it’s ed being ed. (Also, and I don’t remember what the rules say on this point, but there’s the possibility that he’s going for a modkill in order to give town a second bite at the apple as it were. But I don’t really think Ed would do that this early in the game)
Secondly, we don’t know what went on between mahaloth and him. Perhaps Maha said, you can say you will vote for anyone claiming glorfindel but you can’t say whatever it is ed is forbidden to say. My thought is, speculation is relatively useless, since the salient info cannot be gained from Ed until the game ends. And trying to play some sort of weird charades about it seems more like you’re playing against the mod than the players.
All that being said, with yesterday’s lynch we’ve earned ourselves some breathing room. So if people wanted to lynch ed in order to get answers, I’m not adamantly opposed, but I’d rather go after someone I’m more convinced is scum. And I don’t think ed is that person.
Me too, but I think it is a mistaken play by a townie, not a scum ploy. Do you think Ed is scum or is this a punitive vote?
I think Ed is scum for the same reasons I explained earlier. This scenario doesn’t contradict me, so I’m sticking with my vote.
Also, the Glorfindel shenanigans are not sitting right with me.
My case against Special Ed was dependent on scum having access to a VT PM and the strong scum motivation for his use of that PM, not simply because he was familiar with the content.
Now, it’s possible that a Townie Special Ed made an honest attempt at handshaking which backfired but there is some evidence against this:
I’m not questioning the case against Chipacabra per se, I found his comments and unvote/vote quite scummy too and that’s what lead me to do a WoW where I was reminded of his handshaking attempt. I just wanted to understand why, on multiple occasions, you have questioned the case against Special Ed for being dependent on scum having access to the VT PM but are happy to vote Chipacabra whose new handshake matched the yet-to-be-public VT PM - it seems inconsistent to me but does not exonerate Chipacabra.
And to answer an earlier question of yours:
I count 12 players who were involved in some sort of handshaking between #116 and #394. It did not exactly “fizzle out”, even after multiple players suggested that at best the attempt was worthless and, at worst, we were giving information to scum. I do not know if scum followed through on their plan or not but knowing there was no chance of them being falsely confirmed as VT, they may have chosen not to bother getting involved. What we do know is:
It’s possible to deduce that scum used the information provided to target Telcontar as a likely power role but Suburban’s lack of handshake and PM format do not indicate a scum team being in possession of a VT PM.
I’m unsure what to make of Special Ed’s recent play (“I’m not Glorfindel”) and for now I’m focusing my scum hunting efforts elsewhere as I’m aware that there’s still a possibility that a townie Special Ed simply messed up.
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i think ed has addressed this as well. mhaye and nook don’t seem to post in volume but they don’t fluff, either. when they do post it is typically content laden. matter of fact, if they were one of the post leaders i would be going, hmmm. conversely if ed me or you were to be posting only once or twice a Day i would equally be going, hmmm.
and yeh i have been super chatty this game. but a lot of that is personal. i currently am working small gigs from home so really my only form of passing the time is by surfing the net. so yeh, i have been able to devote a lot more time (and posts, apparantly) than is normal for me.
i don’t think ed is in any way, shape or form giving me a pass. merely that certain posting styles are a null tell.
Chipicabra’s vote history and his weasel words surrounding his vote for Ed seems like a better reason to lynch him than a lurker.
Hey all - sorry I’m just now checking in. Need to review, but let’s get this out first:
While following along, I thought that **Telcontar **had made some of what I call “Captain Obvious” posts, but now I can’t find a good example. Anyway, I was all about to ask him about them, but no dice now, hey?
**Telcontar **does say in 578:
As we now know, he was the doctor. Is it likely he protected Pleonast? I think yes, as in 1115:
This reads to me that **Telcontar **didn’t self-protect and chose to protect **Pleonast **instead - maybe not the best decision for someone already outed as a town power role. And clearly **Pleo **wasn’t targeted last night…
Yeah, Pleo’s got some 'splaining to do.
and i hear what you are saying but at times one comes into possession of information that one should not, typically accidentally.
wasn’t there one time that a scum posted to the main thread, then deleted it but it had already been seen by a townie. i think there was some discussion along the lines of what could be shared (i don’t think there was modkill via edit in that game) about that information.
and the time that pede (i think?) cc’d the town role to everyone. but since he didn’t bc everyone, everyone that was town knew who every other townie was. well that caused a reset because it broke the durn game.
i guess what i am getting at is that at times, a player may fall into possession of information accidentally and that the mod may very well request that they remain silent to remain in then spirit of the game.
what i can’t figure is that why ed felt that he could share some of the information but not all.
however with our current cast of mods i can see an oops followed with an allowance, but partial only.
and i hate fracking magic bags as well but sometimes they can’t be avoided. however, this should in no way be interpreted as a ringing endorsement of ed
I did a vote analysis on the Ed/Suburban thing here: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12826673&postcount=1296 . It shows the definitely suspicious voting that Chip did, and that was before Guiri corrected me on the fact that Ed’s vote total was actually one higher since Mahaloth had missed Guiri’s vote on him (Guiri’s post is here: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12826962&postcount=1307 ), and I started after the point the vote was missed. So Chip even looks more suspicious in that light.
So peeker, are you going to answer my question upthread, or just keep ignoring it?