what i am trying to figure out ed is whether you are scum are not. right now, i would tend to believe based on game state and comments that you are not. but doing the jesus self immolation thing is really not making me feel real comfortable about maintaining that stance.
fuck, now we get pontius pilate into the mix as well.
neta: and i really do sincerly apologize ed. you are good folk but you do get under my skin at times. kind of like my siblings.
and i may be totally wrong about the mason thing. but i am also not redacted or redacted.
and if i am right maha, story and sach are going to have to watch their backs for a very long time.
While we’re at it, I’m not Goodgulf, Moxie, nor Pepsi, and I’ll be deeply suspicious of anyone who claims any of those names.
I am, however, Spartacus.
Also Tiger Woods.
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of fuck haven’t we already done this one.
Bullshit, I’m spartacus. Consider that a counter claim.
Spartacus Mafia sounds like a really bad idea.
actually i think it sounds cool. we could do a mass name and role claim instantly and really settle that issue for once and all.
While I was working on (yet another) WoW on Chipacabra, I was reminded of this:
and this:
Aren’t you making the same tenuous assumption that Chipacabra had access to a VT PM and is scum? I appreciate that his handshake attempt isn’t part of your case against him but the fact is that he offered a handshake based on a previously non-public section of the VT PM.
Could you let us know what made you trust Telcontar? It certainly wasn’t mutual:
I wasn’t making that assumption knowingly, but that’s a good point that I hadn’t picked up on. I want to think about it a bit, but I guess the initial distinction I’d make is that others seem to be voting for Ed in large part because of his claimed knowledge of a vanilla Town PM, which just seems bizarre to me. My suspicions of Chip are founded solely on his seemingly scummy posts at the end of Day One, the seeming scumminess of which is irrespective of his participation in the handshaking. IIRC (and perhaps I don’t), there’ve been a few people who are voting for Ed while saying that his actions and posts are consistent with him being town, which makes no sense at all.
I know it wasn’t mutual; I asked him to expand on why he felt I was untrustworthy near the end of Day One, but he never responded. And I dunno; I just got a strong Town vibe from him.
Hey, if we have a Vig, toNight might be the time to start shooting at the people who aren’t posting too much.
Just an idea. Do what you think is wise, but we aren’t getting any data on them
For that matter, toDay might be the time to start lynching those folks. Unless, of course, we find some better reason to lynch someone. Likewise, the hypothetical Vig might find better reasons to choose some other target, too.
I’d rather get the information from lynching. Lynching a lurker really gives us no data.
well lynching a lurker does kind of like provide alignment, dont you think.
but no information on the motivation of the voters.
Well, now that I think about it, if they flip Scum, we might get some information.
Lurking is a slight scum tell, in my opinion. All of us in the upper-half of post totals have been voted for, largely because we’re talking. That’s a good thing. Voting for me, for instance, gives good information on how I react. Voting for Suburban Plankton, and his reaction to it, outed him as scum.
I’m in favor of putting some pressure on those low-post-count folks.
Little participation is considered by some to be a Scum tell. I look at it as a null tell. Not participating is a null tell, and as peeker says, anti-game.
Some players are high content, low volume posters though. I would include Nanook and MHaye in that category.
Here is the post count (a place to start, but not the be-all-end-all of measuring participation for all the players:
As promised, a WoW on Chip.
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I don’t think the handshaking is pointless, even if it doesn’t point out a single person as OMG OBVIOUS SCUM. People are talking, things are being said, and we’re starting to pick up little things about each other, even if it’s just getting a feel for playstyle.
Last game, I did a lot of random poke-votes on Day 1, and a lot of people said that it didn’t do anything useful. But it did. It got conversation going, it got people reacting to me. The fact that it didn’t do much for the stated purpose (getting inactive players to start posting) doesn’t change the fact that it DID create useful data for the town to mine.
Same deal here. We’re getting data. We may not know what the data MEANS yet, but it’s data. Maybe it won’t tell us who to lynch on Day 1, but that doesn’t mean it’s useless.
298 is a joke post, the first post after Dawn of Day One.
389:
772:
Like Oredigger, it took a while to get to one that was too long to C&P. Not that there’s anything wrong with that–I can tend to be concise as well. Oddly enough, this is the first time that he’s even come close to making a case against someone. He thinks that both he and peeker should be doing more prod votes. Notes that peeker left a policy vote in place without following up on it. Thinks ed is Town, but isn’t sure. Also believes Chronos, although comes up with some scenarios in which we don’t know everything about his claim. Explains to Pleonast that people use acronyms without explaining them all the time. Says he doesn’t suspect anyone enough to put a vote down.
774:
844 complains about the thread length.
930 unvotes SP post-claim while reserving the right to return to it later.
1005 is another long-ass post. He is unsure that peeker has been playing like someone who doesn’t want to permit lurking. (?) Thinks that ed and Chronos arguing over the definition of the win condition section of the PM was ed trying to spring a trick question on Chronos. Thinks Red has been discussing game mechanics more than Scum-hunting, perhaps due to being gun-shy from HP. Thinks that SP is not false name-claiming because it’s one of a list of names ed mentioned in one of his posts. Thinks that ed’s comment about lynching the loud was a bit premature, as SP was the lynch leader by a good margin at the time. Thinks Ed is Scum who had the vanilla PM, and votes for him, but says that he thinks SP may also be Scum with ed.
1024:
1025 upset with peeker for saying he’s a low-participation player.
1028 points out ed’s post 694 where he lists all the characters that have held a Palantir.
1029:
Okay. So that’s it for yesterDay. ToDay, all I’ve seen is his suspicion that the Scum were provided with a vanilla PM, as well as a renewed vote for ed.
No idea what it means. The only thing I noticed during the whole long-ass C&P job was that he was more likely to discuss game strategy than to make a case against someone. I also need to revisit the timing of the vote on ed, because in searching for his posts, I can’t see how that went down. I seem to recall it being weird, like right when SP started to really pick up votes again after his claim. Obviously, knowing ed’s alignment will make a huge difference here–if ed is Scum, Chip seems much more like Town, but if he’s Town, Chip seems like Scum trying to get people to vote for someone other than his buddy. This is more so the case seeing as he started out the Day leaning Town on ed and ended it (and began this one) voting for him.
My comments on Drains WoW of Chip"
Post 396, he seems to have outed himself as Vanilla as well. Though he uses that fact in his case against me.
Post 1024 he implies that I could be providing cover for Suburban. Which might be true, but I pushed hard for Suburban’s lynch. And Suburban’s mangling of the Role Claim seems odd if the Scum do have cover roles. (At least it should seem odd to Chronos who thinks Scum wouldn’t make a mistake if they had that information)
Post 1032 He had earlier seen the value of my trick question for Chronos regarding the wn condition section (as I expect any Vanilla would) but now thinks that I was Scum using the trick (and I do see the value in that for the Scum.) He still goes on about the helping Suburban with the Denethor information. This ignores the fact that anyone with a good knowledge of LotR would know that Denethor had a palantir. He also comments on the lynch the loud comment I made, which ignores that fact that all but 1 of the people with votes on them were ‘loud’