That is an acceptable accusation, since it simply states your opinion of me without misrepresenting anything I’ve done or said. Nor does it make pro-scum demands of me.
Unfortunately, that is not what you did earlier, where you demanded I reveal information and then voted me for pointing out your demands were anti-town.
Anyone who thinks I’m gaining townie cred is a fool, either for thinking an empty claim has any townie value or for thinking I’ve somehow avoided attention by making it.
Quite simply, players (Meeko, peekercpa) accusing me of having “townie cred” are trying to build a case against me for taking an unpopular tactic. A tactic that has gained me no positive attention and plenty of negative.
Oooohhh wait, MHaye, you’re right. I completely mixed up Treebeard and Tom Bombadil. Tom Bombadil’s the goofy one; Treebeard not that bad of a vanilla townie role. Given that, it’s not completely off the wall, and might not be a cover for Chipacabra.
I apologize. I need to heed my own internal advice of thinking more, posting less. I’m really sorry if I’ve steered anyone wrong; please disregard my post in #1628.
I don’t know if it’s enough to take my vote off Chip. I need to think more. (Clearly.)
peeker, to be fair, there are plenty of other possible Town roles. Vigilantes aren’t exactly rare, even given that we had only one kill last night (the simplest explanation being that a vig could have held his fire). There’s also masons (we can’t completely rule out the possibility), Scotsmen of various sorts, inventors (many one-shot powers), investigative roles other than Detectives (watchers, trackers, etc.), governors (able to pardon the person being lynched), and probably a bunch more I haven’t thought of. Several of these, in fact, are more common than someone who’s able to tamper with the vote somehow, so I’m not sure why you fixated on that specifically.
absolutely, i understand that chronos. but i don’t make him to be a vig with me still alive toDay based on the statement that if he were one he would take me out if he were. and i totally understand that there are many different exotic roles and that with the size of our group that any of these could come into play. but with what i figure to be five scum and probably a third party or two. that still only leaves about 14 openings. and because we have this propensity for sharing pm stuff i count at least 5 or so nillers. and there are probably others that haven’t been so open. and i just figure that there has got to be a town dick and town rb (kind of standard) there are not a whole heck of a lot of slots left.
I am suddenly struck with the thought that you may be half-right. Maybe we are linked as siblings or lovers (or both, really, the term in mafia is interchangeable) And that if I die you do too. But that doesn’t give us the same alignment, you could as easily be Boromir and 3rd party or Scum. In fact, if I were more confident in this fact, I’d be much more willing to die
You’ve no idea how much I hate this completely meaningless statement. How many games have you played in that haven’t been sideways? At what point do you learn that maybe it’s you that’s sideways and not every single game?
How about you start looking at this game. You know, the one we’re actually playing.
I want to comment that it seems you’re irritated that people keep commenting on your comments for which you specifically requested no comments. Most of us understand that.
Maybe your gambit in claiming a power role was a gambit to have Scum outed because why on Earth would it irritate a Townie, but I think you’ve failed.
Maybe your goal was to point out how anti-Town it is to comment on something so obviously unworthy of commenting.
Hell, honestly, I don’t what your goal was. And, in many of my posts, I try to be entertaining if not enlightening as to the game, I’m not sure what your point was. To say something and then just let it drop?
It does sorta beg the question, “why say it” but, Now I’m starting to get a picture. You’re playing the role of the Indignant Townie. Casting an aspersion on anyone who draws any attention to you. I don’t not like it. Not one little bit.
(Out of game: be careful about how you quoted me. I don’t want any of us drawing the wrath of a SDMB mod for violating board rules.)
You apparently didn’t actually read the exchange. I could care less what others comment on. Meeko (and Snickers), however, crossed over the line of commenting and into what I believe is anti-town fishing.
And I have not cast aspersions on anyone who’s commented or draw attention to me. See DrainBead’s comment, for example. I only attack those who use anti-town tactics.
i am insert power role so let’s not talk about. additionally, i will not share anything regarding my insert power role so let’s not talk about it. furthermore, if anyone wants to talk about my insert power role i will look askance at them. and for sure, if anyone would like to seek any confirmation of my insert power role that immediately makes them uber suspicious to me and my insert power role. and all good townies should trust me because i am insert power role.
anti-Town tactics spurred on by your actions. And, honestly, these anti-Town behaviors should be expected after your actions.
So, how anti-Town is it to engage in actions you know are highly likely to lead to anti-Town actions by other players even if they be Town?
And how potentially pro-Scum is it to engage in actions that are likely to lead to Town players doing anti-Town things? All while approaching the situation with an ‘I didn’t do anything wrong. It’s all them’ attitude?
Or did you seriously think that a claim like yours would be ignored by every Town player? And did you really think so, even after how it’s been treated in previous games?
**Unvote Chipacabra
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I’ve done some reviewing, and I’m less convinced that **Chip **is scum.
On 8/17 at 2:59 PM (#774), he votes Suburban Plankton because of Plankton’s “they’re all out to get me” wording. This vote stands until the next day at 2:36 PM (#930) when he unvotes after Plankton’s claim (like many others did). He then votes **Ed **that night at 5:16 PM (#1005) because of what he saw as Ed’s scummy handshake attempt to ID townie power roles and win condition trick with Chronos. In later posts, he mentions Ed’s list and the fact that Plankton’s claim came right off that list, postulating that **Ed **planted it to make Plankton’s later claim seem acceptable. (I don’t really think this reasoning works, but meh). He also thinks that if **Plankton **really is an investigator, then he deserves some time.
While I don’t agree with all of Chip’s reasonings, I don’t really see a scummy motivation behind them. I can see how he felt that Ed’s handshake was more scummy than Plankton’s “22 out to kill me” saying, and I can see the prudence behind waiting for **Plankton **to hang himself if he’s not town. It’s just an unfortunate coincidence that the timing of his votes makes him look worse.
Maybe it was bad play, but I’m not going to string him up for that (I know I’m guilty of really bad play myself here).
[Out of Game] No matter what I am - town, scum, or something else – I promise that I really did start my first day of my masters yesterday. That’s not some meta-game bullshit to throw you off my trail. This doesn’t exonerate me; I could still be scum benefitting from lying low, as far as you know, and I won’t pretend that this proves anything about my intentions. Just letting you know [/Out of Game]
Regarding Pleonast: I think it’s worth pointing out that when I was pointing out Pleo’s second role claim, the very first person to agree with me was Suburban Plankton.
This doesn’t clear him, as I still don’t understand why he’s posting the way he is, but it does move him slightly more in the “town” category for me. It seems to me a scummy SP would be happy to attach himself to smudging a town player, and he could hide behind the fact that I had brought it up later if he needed to. Your mileage may vary, but I’m going to be looking elsewhere for now.
Drawing out anti-town behavior is a good thing. I don’t know about you, but I am trying to find scum. You know, the players more likely to do anti-town things.
So, who are these townies who’ve been misled into playing anti-town by me?
Also note that, in retrospect, the “22 out to get me” thing obviously can’t be taken literally, since we now know that Plankton was not, in fact, a third party. If he’d said “18 out to get me”, or the like, then that’d have been a whopper of a Scum tell, but as it was, it must really have been hyperbole or hysterical paranoia. So it’s not very good evidence against those folks who did, in fact, interpret it as hyperbole or hysterical paranoia.
But looking for Scum motivation in the voting is telling.
If Chip is Scum, he needs some reason to unvote him and vote me. The planned claim could have been made all along. He can make up a weak reason to vote me (the 2nd place guy).
And an investigator is an easier claim to fake in my opinion. A weak ass limited investigator even more so.
But acting in a way that should be anticipated to lead Town players to act in anti-Town ways is anti-Town.
See, you had it backwards. You claimed the Scum could WiFoM and the Town could ignore it.
But isn’t it just as much WiFoM for inquisitive Town, and couldn’t the Scum just ignore it as meaningless?
So, I’m alleging that you engaged in behavior that made it easier for Town to do anti-Town things. It would be a great move as Scum.
It’s actually not dissimilar to the case against me. That in my over zealous actions, I got Vanilla Town to out themselves thereby helping the Scum. And the Scum could easily ignore me or join in (if they had the PM) as they saw fit.
It wasn’t my intention, and it may not have been yours, but the end result is the same.
I don’t know.
I’m saying the behavior you engaged in was likely to cause Town to act that way. And you should have known so.
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