see, and this is the dichotomy of canon/color. does it ring true or not. i find it highly unlikely that in this game that aragorn is some sort of godfather bad guy or that sauron would be the knight in shining armor for town.
and this is where i get metagame knowing the mods. there was a game where i was a town aligned doc/miller. and from canon you could construct that role. and in the universe that is lotr i believe that there are many such constructs that could apply. denethor is the perfect example. is he a frustrated townie or a scum acting out on his dementia.
now is chippy really treabeard. i have no clue. but i don’t see how you construct that character into being scum aligned.
and this is why i really don’t like posting pms verbatim. all that will be accomplished in a chippy lynch is establishing him as niller which provides scum a blue print for future vt claims. or establishing that the scum have the niller pm which means that any subsequent niller claim is suspect. but we do get the side benefit of killing a scum so in that case net/net town is better off. i just really struggle with these types of discussion and long term ramifications.
Regardless of whether scum had the VT role PM at the beginning of the game or not, they certainly had it by post #746 when **ed **posted “his” vanilla townie role PM. (This was Tuesday in Day1, or Tuesday of yesterDay.) They’ve had that blueprint for a while now.
One And Only is correct - I’m saying that while **Chip **could be Treebeard, it’s such a weird role for **Mahaloth **to have put in the game as a real vanilla townie. Even Tolkien had problems with Treebeard. In the books, he couldn’t even be bothered to care about the fate of Middle-Earth, really - he was just so other. While it’s possible that Chip’s Treebeard, it’s more likely (to me) that he’s scummy scum scum hiding behind a cover role.
for the weird Treebeard claim, for trying to protect **Plankton **with his votes, for muddying the waters with VT PM postulations, and for the strange ed/**Plankton **connection.
Okay, so you don’t want to back off from the role-fishing. Instead you want to attack me calling you on your role-fishing. That’s about as pro-scum and anti-town as you can get. unvote vote Meeko vote MHaye vote peekercpa
I’m willing to switch to either MHaye or peeker as my primary vote. I see peeker has given up any pretext of being helpful to town.
I am not confirmed. I never claimed to be confirmed, nor have I asked to be considered confirmed. I didn’t claim a magic bag because I never promised anything. You are projecting your own motivations onto me. That’s your prerogative, but don’t then accuse me of doing something that I haven’t done.
If you’re not role-fishing, what are you asking me for?
What am I doing that acts like I’m confirmed?
I’m not answering your questions because you’re blatantly role-fishing. I couldn’t answer your questions without revealing my role. That’s role fishing and it’s anti-town. Voting me for not being role-fished makes it even more pro-scum.
Think about it. What does the town have to gain by me revealing more information? What does the scum have to gain? You don’t know? Well, I do and I’ve decided not to say more. Sorry if it offends you when another player makes a different decision than you.
I finally figured out what was wrong with this post. He assumes that I’m one of three roles. He’s either intentionally omitting other possible roles or he has limited imagination.
peeker, why did you assume I was either “dick” or “rb” (or maybe “vote changer”)?
Pleo, it’s not really possible for anyone to fish you, since you’ve already leapt out of the water and into the boat on your own. Fishing is trying to find out who the power roles are. You’ve already said you’re a power role; now we’re just trying to find out what power role you are, which is a reasonable pro-Town activity. You have in fact promised us something, in your very first post: To claim a power role is to claim that there’s something you have to contribute. We’re just trying to get you to say what you’re promising. This is the kind of reaction you should expect when your very first post to the game is a power role claim, and if you didn’t want this sort of reaction, you shouldn’t have done that.
FWIW, when I saw Pleonast’s original claim, my assumption was that he was either the Doc or Scum, as I surmised the pro-Town reason for soft-claiming would be an attempt at drawing a NK, which he would of course be blocking, and I figured everyone else would be assuming that as well and thus wouldn’t be surprised if he stayed alive a while–a perfect cover for Scum. Now that Telcontar has been revealed as our dead Doc, I think Pleonast is much more likely to be Scum–the one-off votes with weird reasons being more evidence of it. I think Chip is the scummiest still, but Pleo is probably second on my list at this point.
Searching for power roles is one type of fishing. But asking for revealing information from a power role is also fishing. For example, asking a claimed Mason about the total number of Masons is fishing. If an investigator says someone is town but refuses to say what role, demanding they reveal the role is fishing. Meeko (and Snickers) asking me for revealing information is fishing.
I also disagree that revealing information is necessarily a “reasonable pro-Town activity”. That is impossible for anyone not in possession of the information to judge. Some information is better kept secret until the conditions are favorable. You yourself are holding back information.
A claim of a power role is either a statement of fact or a lie. There is no implied promise for something more. Anyone thinking otherwise is ascribing motives for which there is no evidence.
While I need to catch up and then rerad, I can’t let this pass.
Treebeard (indeed all the Ents) were part of the development of the World that Is, as originally sung by the Ainur and built by the long labours of the Valar and their lesser helpers the Maiar.
If you want weird, then look no further than the Old Forest, where we find Tom Bombadil, of whom it was said (by Tom!)
Now that’s weird.
And if the colour scheme wasn’t bad enough, Tolkien never really explained where Tom came from, what he was doing there or how he fitted into Eru’s grand plan.
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1.Are all votes given the same weight?
2.Can some players hold more than one vote?
3.Are there private votes?
4.Do you calculate your vote math based in part on private votes?
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Chornos, you are fast becoming my second favorite Mafia player. [BigT, if you ware reading this, fair warning my man.]
Pleonast, again, " This " on what Chronos has said here. I would like to think that I’m less enigmatic on my statements as my play progresses throughout all games. But sometimes there will always be that one person who says the things in a way that fail you when you need to say them.
The problem inherent with your tactic Pleonast, is that you are in effect playing both sides. But, as you put it, it is either fact or lie.
I’m still betting " Lie ". If it is not " Lie " you could present the fact in one are all ways, and then we could progress.
But, if you are gaining townie cred based on a lie, someone, if not all of us, need to take you to task on it.
well with a dead doc i guess you could be another protector but i find that unlikely. so the other two “normal” power roles would be either dick or rb. and since most of the vote anomolies have merely been a function of mod counting i don’t see how the vote changing thing would be working out. and with this whole vanilla vt nonsense i am kind of assuming that not everyon is a power role. so i guess you could be a chia bingo master for all i know but i find that unlikely as well.
so it doesn’t seem like much of a leap for you to be either a dick or rb.
now, of course, you could be claiming a scum power role but that kind of seems silly.
so in that case net/net town is better off. i just really struggle with these types of discussion and long term ramifications.