Ok. So I’m totally not clear if I have to do this next part…
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Unvote All**
Vote Ed
OK, I understand that the handshake failed. Not sure why that makes me Scum, but what was my misleading talk?
Are you voting me because I was wrong?
By the way, when peeker quoted me, a spurious “and if” popped up in the middle of the quote. I’m guessing that must be some sort of weird editing error on his part, because it’s not in what I posted.
Just in case you missed it,
Mahaloth, what were Aragorn’s special objects?/
Ok, looks like I got a Snickers quote down as an Ed quote.
Let me think for a second.
**Nope. Still voting Ed. **
When does the failed Handshake make Ed Scum MVP? Assume for argument he is town, Even so, we must as town vote for the person being the most anti-town, correct?
Again, assuming Ed is Town. Which, I’m not so sure about. Obviously.
probably something to do with the way my keyboard skips around. my bad. there was certainly no intent to “edit” someone else’s post. but sometimes i will be typing and the cursor just kind of disappears and i may have accidentally added something that was not there previously. my bad. i’ll try to be more careful. 
oh crap! When did they change the rules?
I thought we won when we eliminated the Scum!
I’ve gotta agree with ed on this one, Meeko. If you think he’s town, the LAST thing you should be doing is voting for him.
You know, the more I think about this, the more scummy it sounds. I can’t think of any reason for a person to suggest assuming another player is town, and voting for them anyway.
quick question meeko or to anyone else. it looks like ed is picking up quite a few votes for his failed hand shake attempt. most of them along the lines that it was anti town. now in the four previous attempts that he has tried this nonsense it has ended up being 2 - 2. so kind of a null play. and if i am right i think every time he tried to pull this crud off he was town. now i certainly don’t know if this is a really smart scum gambit or just ed being ed. and i totally agree that it was potentially anti - town and could definitely have a scum motivation. but i look more askance at the folks that participated in this endeavor with a little more jaundiced eye than i do the instigator. because if townie ed (just proposing) went down this path and scum had possession of a niller role pm then they would have know what ed was up to and hopped right on board by confirming similarities. if ed is town, and they would know that, they are trying a backhanded way of trying to confirm themselves if ed flips town. and it’s kind of low risk anyways because if he flips scum then all we figure is that scum had an example of the niller pm.
No earlier than the end of the game. We simply can’t judge the full effects of any action until the game is over.
Definitely not.
If you assume Ed is Town, then there is no reason to vote for him at all, and doing so is cutting off your nose to spite your face. We’re supposed to vote for the players who are aligned against Town. Assuming for the sake of argument that Ed is Town, then lynching him means that SAHM move closer to winning.
People are allowed to make mistakes.
I voted for Ed on Day 1 because I thought he might be one of SAHM, not because I thought he was a Townie who was aiding the enemy. It was good enough for Day 1, but my suspicion has waned since then.
Pushing this bandwagon as you are doesn’t tell me anything about your alignment tough; you could be a confused Townie, or one of SAHM trying to push a bandwagon while hiding behind the argument that “SAHM would never risk doing that.”
and hoopy i am not going to forget about you either. i think you mentioned that if chupacabra flipped scum then that made a case for me. i’d kind of like to know your thought process about that puppy and what in the world you think now that chupacabra flipped town.
actually more than liking to know i would be absolutely fascinated to know.
I’m sorry peeks, what was the question again?
**We’ve lost Two town power roles. How does Pleonast’s claim fit in on that? **
it was in 1755 hoopy.
around the same time that you were justifying your vote on chupacabra for waffling, remember that?
and so you have a case against me if chupacabra flips scum but it falls apart if he/she is town. not that’s a waffle that if you get a side of bacon will set you back 6 bucks or so at ihop.
Pleo’s claim means nothing with dead power roles. Just like you can’t know if a game is balanced while you’re still playing it, you can’t know how many power roles make sense while you’re still playing it. You don’t have enough information to make a judgement one way or another.
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the question is based on the fact that every time ed has pulled this nonsense in the past he has been town (i am pretty sure of at least 3 of the 4 times) why would you or anyone else not lead this to evidence that he is just being townie ed again?
additionally, the other kind of inferred question is along the lines is why wouldn’t you consider it more scummy for other folks to play along with this “handshake” game?
i mean if scum have the niller pm then don’t you think they are going to let a scum ed lead the charge and then just kind of line up behind him. any town nillers are going to be thinking, oh shit, they are niller as well. and for the actual town nillers that might have outed themselves don’t you think that play equally anti - town. because if scum have the niller pm then all those folks did was narrow the shooting pool for scum.
now that’s some pretty anti-town behavior and yet they are town. guess we lynch them next, right?
Chronos, when you responded to Gadarene about his suspicions of Suburban role PM, you stated that your wincon appeared after your “powers section”. The PM you’ve posted does not have a powers section. I’m confused.
Quoth MHaye:
To expand on this, the most typical Scum MVP is that guy whom nobody even suspected for a moment might be Scum, and who therefore never got lynched for it. If there is such a person in this game, then we won’t, by definition, know it until the end.
Quoth Guiri:
I meant the section where my powers (or “power”, I suppose, given that that second one isn’t worth much) were listed.
Every time I was Town.
Also, you point to it being a null tell because Town’s record in those games was 2-2. I’m still telling you that measuring the success of a particular strategy isn’t best done by looking at the end result.
You can’t answer the question “was the strategy successful?” by answering the question, “Did Town win?”
Going back to my original analogy, it’s like asking the question, “Did Andre Dawson hit a home run?” by answering, “He must not have, because the Cubs lost the game today.”