LOTR *MOVIE* fans...start your engines! (GREAT first reactions) No Spoilers

Good idea for a thread; hopefully this kind of thing will help me get it out of my system in time for the actual premiere. Otherwise I’d be getting too excited and dressing up like Gandalf or something.

(Not that that would be bad if anyone out there is planning on dressing up like Gandalf. It’s all good, we’re all friends here.)

Last Christmas, I made my brother and my dad each take me to see Two Towers on separate viewings, and in between I watched the FOTR DVD’s multiple times, with the different audio commentaries. And the special features. And then the Rankin-Bass and Ralph Bakshi (ick) versions showing on pay-per-view. Whoever’s marketing all this stuff was loving me. Now I’m in trouble because I’ve already watched the Two Towers extended edition three times (once and then with commentaries from Jackson et. al. and the cast) plus the special features. I can’t read the book again because of my whole short attention span problem.

Actually, what’s got me so geared up about the last movie is The Two Towers movie itself. The first time I read the book, I stopped for about three months in the middle just because the TT was so long and tedious, especially the battle at Helm’s Deep. The second time I read it, I managed to slog through it, but only because I knew that I liked the ending. I would’ve told anyone that the TT was unfilmable – even if they did happen to make a movie version, they would’ve had to do major edits on the material; I expected FOTR and ROTK to be “the good ones” with the middle movie’s being disappointing but essential, or else Hollywood-action-ified to the point of being unrecognizable.

And the TT blew me away; I ended up liking it even more than the first movie. So if Jackson & crew can get that much of a movie out of a tedious part of the book, I can only imagine what’s going to happen with one of the most spectacular parts of any book I’ve ever read. Still no spoilers, but a hell of a lot of stuff happens in ROTK!

And thanks for the link, Avalonian; I may actually have to go out and buy the soundtracks now.

Gee…do you think this film might make any money?

I went to an afternoon showing of Master and Commander last week and they showed the preview for ROTK…the audience, not exactly spring chickens if you get my drift, all applauded!

MSNBC had a recent article about Oscar predictions…they pretty much summed it up by saying the Academy has been waiting to give Jackson his just reward, and the author of the article basically said if the film is as good as TT, it has a lock on Best Picture. If it is better, it should win every category.

Having worked at one of the major studios, I have to agree…Acadamy voters are a group of people who live film…and they like to reward hard work, financial success, artistic effort and anything spectacular. Sounds to me like ROTK is a safe bet for your next Oscar office pool.

I want to watch the EE TTT again tonight. I’m still upset that they didn’t do a costume/sets exhibit in Toronto this year, but I’ll go buy the ROTK soundtrack and it will make me feel better.

Is it December 17th yet?

Avalonian: Thank you for that link. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

How’s life on Tol Eressëa?

Yipes! Equipoise Were we supposed to turn our engines off between movies? You didn’t did you? We may have slowed down to idle a few times, but at our house we’ve been doing LOTR either at full speed or at least on caution laps from well before the first movie was released. We may have made an occasional pit stop–after all, my daughter needed to get her name tatooed on her ankle in elvish. We had to be physically dragged out of Barnes and Noble last night. Our friends accused us of worshiping at the LOTR altar where we were gazing fixedly at the still shots in the photo preview books on sale for Christmas.

We have our tickets to the 11:57 showing (get those previews out of the way early so the movie itself will roll at midnight.

December 17 is an international holiday, right? We don’t have to go to work or school or anything? We can just stay at the theater for seconds and thirds. Until our eyes bug out and our feet get hairy.

We are going in costume, and I anticipate some conflict since my son insists on dressing as an orc, my daughter as a hobbit maiden, and the theater won’t appreciate the trail of leaves that will be shed from my ent costume. We’ve made plans to stop all fluid intake at noon and have a back up car.

Vroooom Vrooooom. Let’s go in for 4 new tires and fuel. One more pit stop and we’re good to go.

The films are weak.

The only decent adaptation of the texts was a BBC radio drama.

Watching TTT makes me cringe with embarassment.

Gollum sounds like he was voiced by Donald Duck. Gawd! How awful. And his split personality? Could Jackson have possibly been any more literal? Pure rubbish.

Then there’s Evil Faramir. UGH

If you were unfortunate to have been a fanatic of the books prior to the release of Jackson’s travesty you would understand what I mean. I know I’m going to get chased out of here, but I have to have my say.

I understand the excitement that people have about Tolkien’s world because I used to have that excitement too.

I did like ninety percent of Jackson’s handling of the battle of Helm’s Deep. And the costumes are awesome. Sean Bean was really great as Boromir. The Balrog was right on. Liv Tyler is the most beautiful being who has ever existed and a fitting choice for Arwen (even though she should have been included only in about six seconds of film time by now.) And . . . um . . . oh yeah that scene at the beginning of FotR showing the battle between the last allinace and Sauron was probably the coolest thing I’ve ever seen.

Sigh. I see we have a Dunnlander in our midst.

Christ on a crutch! The MOVIES are NOT can NOT and will NEVER BE absolutely (or even close to absolutely) faithful adaptations of the books and STILL remain halfway decent cinema. You can either view them as movies attempting to capture the spirit of Tolkien if not the precise words or yet another failed attempt to bring the books to life. I prefer the former way because, quite frankly, the latter has the same chances of getting his wish as a sugar Peep does of flying south for the winter.

Furthermore, lets face the facts: I imagined Gollum as something different than you imagined Gollumn and we both didn’t imagine him exactly as Peter Jackson did. That goes for all books ever adapted to film, because a book is a two part process that a movie is not.

I was a fan of the books LONG before the movies and i prefer the movie version to the books. What Peter Jackson has done is amazing and i feel sorry that you cannot bring yourself to enjoy one of the greatest masterpieces of our time because you cannot understand that what YOU got of the book is NOT what everyone else got out of it.

Radio? No, thank you good sir. You may keep your mindless opiate “entertainment” via the demon “radio waves”. Those of us who still recognise* the True Spirit of the Original Works will insist on seeing the material only in the way it was meant to be experienced: through a phonograph or even better, spoken with great conviction by a true Son of Britain, preferably while wearing a suit of the finest tweed.

Rave on, my brother. Fight the Power!

We need more people like you, because none of us can’t read none. We just like watching the big 'splosions and the funny dwarf jokes. I don’t know from Tolkien; I’m too busy watching “Friends” to be able to make it all the way through a book that big!

Where is Moriarty’s comments? I checked out the 3 ROTK articles at AICN and didn’t find it.

thanks,

Brian

Seriously CloudCar, if you need to complain about the movies, why don’t you go to Equipoise’s other thread? You’re right, you will be chased out of here because the OP doesn’t want this thread to be full of complaints. That’s what the other thread is for.

Egad… in the two minutes spent reading this thread, I’ve gone from “excited as hell” to “just barely stopping myself from flying to wherever New Line is based and stealing a rough cut myself.” December 17th cannot possibly come soon enough.

And bravo, SolGrundy. :slight_smile:

All I can say is I cannot imagine anyone doing a better job of the first two movies than PJ did (and I’m a huge fan of the books). Just watched both EE verisions that are out now, and they are definitely worth seeing if all you saw was the original theater version. Especially TTT. There is material in the 4 consecutive new scenes in TTT that round out the Gondor characters extremely well. That’s all I’ll say outside of a spoiler box.

I completely agree with you John Mace about the added scenes at the end of TTT. The only thing I had with the scenes however is that they seemed to be cut together in an awkward fashion. Of course, I have no idea how I could have edited them together any better, so I’m not really complaining.

I’m still waiting. Is it the 17th now?

Incidentally, I’ve been a Tolkien fan for quite a while. The first time I read them I thought I was an Ent. I may actually be an Ent. Well, an Entwife- hey, someone notify Treebeard! We’ve found one!

I need to go to bed.

I love the books. I’m going to reread them so I can be particularly annoying until the movie comes out- immersed in Tolkienity.

True. In fact this scene:

When Denethor explains to Borimir why he wants him to go to Rivendell

would make more sense in tFoTR from a plot flow standpoint, although it works pretty well as a flashback, too.

pilot141, sorry! :stuck_out_tongue:

N91WP, I got those Moriarty comments from another message board, but some were credited to an IRC chat with Moriarty at CHUD, and some to an AICN IRC chat. I’m confused too. I don’t have either IRC chat, but from the other message board, here’s some more of what he said (warning, profanity ahead):

The Jeffrey Wells he’s talking about writes for Movie Poop Shoot. Wells hates the LOTR movies, and would like to get a backlash going against it. His most recent spewings are here (warning, this will probably make fans of the movies angry).

Wells likes a lot of movies I like, so I don’t dismiss the guy as a moron. He just seems to have a blind spot when it comes to fantasy and LOTR. I don’t care what he thinks, as long as people ignore the backlash he’s trying to start. I think ROTK will be SO good, that people have no choice but to vote for it.

This is not like the backlash against Gangs of New York. Scorsese didn’t win because Gangs was not considered the Truly Great film everybody wanted it to be (I thought it was). There was a pressure to give Scorsese the Oscar because he hadn’t gotten one for other, better movies, and lost those times to first-time filmmakers. Voters didn’t want to be pressured, and they didn’t feel that GONY deserved the honors. They also didn’t want him to lose again to a first-time filmmaker (Rob Marshall) but luckily they had a great out. They had Polanski to give it to, so they did. (I happen to love Gangs, Chicago and The Pianist, but I would have voted for The Pianist too).

If ROTK weren’t absolutely brilliant, I could see a resentment building among voters for thinking they “have” to give Jackson the Oscar to honor all 3 films. I think it will be absolutely brilliant though, so I doubt a backlash movement will take hold. I hope.

If you want cites for those Moriarty comments, they’re from the Home Theater Forum’s ROTK/TT Extended thread. Posts 2489 and 2491. There are a lot of spoilers in that thread, but also a lot of spoiler tag usage. Still, I wouldn’t read through it unless you’re willing to encounter spoilers that might not be tagged.

Here are various other things.

First, this comes from the instructional sheet given to projectionists. I don’t know what the “Reel by Reel Footage” numbers mean.

From another message board:

::sob::

I have to wait until Dec 26 and I know I won’t be seeing it on Dec 26. It sucks that it is being released here comparatively late – it’s being released in NZ on Dec 17.

::sob::

I wish I were in Wellington this weekend and tomorrow.

This is originally from the Tolkien Online message board, but was compiled and reprinted at The One Ring.net. It’s listed as a “non-spoiler version” Q&A session with the guy who saw it (Marty), however I’m putting it in spoiler tags anyway. There are no major spoilers, but in terms of references, emotions and thoughts about the film, read at your own risk. Book readers would know what some things mean, while non-book readers wouldn’t know the references (such as “Wiki”) and such things would probably fly over their heads (nothing personal in that).
The questions come from a lot of different people, so there’s some redundancy, as well as redundancy of things I’ve already posted.