Lunch And English Department Stores (70s Question)

I just started watching “Are You Being Served” and I noticed that they all eat lunch together. They eat at 1pm. Does this mean the department just shuts down at 1pm?

I realize TV isn’t always like real life, so I was wondering what did they do in real life in England back at that time? I know today my Walmart shuts its pharmacy at 1:30pm for lunch, so I guess it is possible it’s accurate.

Also the hours on the store seem to be 9:30am to 5:30pm which seem kind of limited. I saw an episode where they are complaining about having to open the store an hour earlier at 8:30am and the staff says "no one shops at 8:30). I also realize shops and stores had different hours back then.

I posted the question here rather than Cafe Society as I was looking for a factual answer but feel free to move it if need be.

Yes, in fact virtually everything shout for lunch, and on Sundays. I remember my dad nursing the car along as it was very short of petrol but it was lunch time and the petrol stations were shut!

I do not recall British department stores ever shutting down for lunch. Indeed, in the '70s many of them would (some still do) contain restaurants, inside the store, open to the general public to have lunch in, so they had to be open for that.

On the other hand, 9 or 9.30am opening to 5.30 closing is quite realistic. That was standard for most British shops in the '70s and is still quite common (give or take a half hour or so at either end) today, although small supermarkets mostly seem to stay open now until about 9pm, and larger ones until midnight, or even stay open 24 hours.

There was also, back then, “early closing day” mandated by law, where, one day a week, almost all the shops in a certain area would close down for one afternoon a week (which day varied by town or district I think). Hardly any shops opened on Sundays, either, again, regulated by law. Early closing day has gone, now, and some shops (far from all) do open on a Sunday, though usually for fewer hours than on weekdays. Certainly shopping hours still remain a lot more restricted in Britain than in cities in the United States.

The “old” British shopping hours, which still prevailed in the 1970s, must have made it very difficult for people with jobs with regular hours to shop. Shop hours basically corresponded to regular working hours. I believe the lunch hour (and Saturday) often became a shop’s busiest time, but the whole system, back then, was presumably still geared to an era when most women did the family shopping, and did not have jobs outside the home. Of course, even by the 1970s, that was no longer really true.

Mind you, even if Are You Being Served is nominally set in the 1970s, the world, social attitudes, and the sort of shop, it represents (in caricature form) always seems to me to be more like the 1950s, or even earlier. Places Grace Brothers, in the '70, were already very old fashioned and dieing out (and, of course, its old-fashionedness is exaggerated for comic effect).

Some department stores in the US are now opening restaurants inside - Wal-Mart and Target are two of the big ones that are doing this. I’m sure it has something to do with enticing customers with an “everything you need” environment to convince them to come to the store rather than shop online. It’s mostly fast food, but still that’s not that different from old-fashioned lunch counters.

The staff at Grace Bros eat together so that the writers can use the scene for comic effect. All sitcoms have a need to get the characters together, which creates an image of a society which spends most of its time in cafes, bars or at parties.

In the 1960s, when I lived there, the big department stores like Selfridges and Liberties, did not open until 9:30am (maybe 10am?) and closed at 5:30pm, except (I think) on Thursdays, when they stayed open later. Saturday was early closing day and at 12:00 everyone shut up shop and went home.

Banks opened from 9am to 3pm and not at all at weekends.

Yes, Saturday was early closing day in London (central London, anyway), so the big department stores there were closed Saturday afternoons (which was particularly crazy because weekends where the only time that most working people could get into London to shop; and, of course, they were closed completely on Sundays). However, early closing day was different in different towns - it was Wednesdays where I lived - and most towns of a reasonable size would have one or two, or maybe more, department stores of their own.

Not exactly a new idea. All big city department stores had restaurants, if only a lunch counter like Woolworth’s. They were phased out starting in the 1960s as fast food restaurants supplanted them. (I remember seeing Woolworth’s lunch counters in those days and the lack of turnover made they very unappealing: e.g., hot dogs on rollers).

The restaurants within department stores are usually well-known fast food brands.

Some major stores did keep restaurants – Macy’s in New York has always had one.

The local Comcast store here closes for lunch, from 12 to 1 daily. Although I don’t think the employees dine together… they are all kind of surly.

Here in the U.S. I remember that banks would only be open for 1/2 day on Wednesday (or was it Thursday). The other half of the day was used to balance their books. Anyone else recall this?

Most large-medium towns had an early closing day in the week, which was meant to compensate staff for having to work Saturdays. It would be a different day for different towns.
In the 1950s most people still worked on Saturday morning and finished at midday (which is professional soccer games kicked off in the afternoon).
Stores like Grace Brothers were already looking like anachronisms by the time the show was first shown, and most went out of business or got taken over by large chains in the next twenty years.

I worked for a bank in North Carolina in the 70’s, and we were open from 9 - 1, closed for two hours, and then opened at at 3 until closing time at 5 (6 on Fridays).

At 1:00 we closed off the banking day, balanced our drawers and the branch, got the cash letter prepared and if there was any time left we ate lunch. Any transactions we did after 1:00pm were counted as part of the following banking day.

Completely bizarre. We didn’t even have ATMs back then either.

Comcast-level surliness takes practice - I’d guess it’s 20 minutes for lunch followed by 40 minutes of insensitivity training.

Incidentally, a great username to go with a question about dated, British, sexual-innuendo-based comedy. :slight_smile:

Even in the United States in the 1970s I recall people having to scramble to get to the bank on Friday after work to cash their pay checks or else be faced with having no way to buy anything all weekend. How did we live like that?

I know it’s only a show with various plot contrivances introduced as needed, but in at least a few episodes it was mentioned there were other branches of Grace Brothers, so in effect the store was a chain (one that comes to mind is when Mr. Grainger incorrectly thought he won the pools, and in the end the department had the Grace Brothers’ Liverpool branch telegraph 50 pounds so he would think he really had won something).
The layout of the store kind of bothered me too - the customers come out of the elevator and down a steep flight of stairs (I don’t doubt that some store somewhere had something like this, but what poor accessibility). Then there’s the large amount of wasted prime retail space in the middle, occupied only by whatever small crappy center display Mr Harman placed there*, and the remainder of the two departments were stuffed into either sides of the floor (not an impressive amount of stock on display either, althought they always seemed to have handy whatever item was needed for plot furtherance.) Yes, I know the wide empty space in the middle was for whatever performance/dance/interaction/ceremony/sleepover was planned for that episode, but there didn’t seem to be any further retail space forward (toward the viewer) of the center display.
All-in-All Grace Brothers London should have been replaced by a brutalist-style car-park by the time the show started airing in 1973…

  • I forgot - also normally occupied by Captain Peacock…

When I lived in New Zealand in the early 1980s shops still had these kinds of limited hours. As a single male, it made it very difficult for me to do my shopping. A few stores were beginning to open for more hours or on Sunday, but this was still viewed as a radical innovation.

In most small towns in the southern US it was not just banks that closed early on Wednesday, it was pretty much all businesses. I don’t know if all businesses did bookkeeping on Wednesday afternoon or if they took that time off to make up for it by being open until noon on Saturday. I was old enough to know that it happened, but too young to know (or care) why.

Wednesday where I lived too. I assumed it was Wednesday in every area. I didn’t realise it changed from place to place.

Saturday trading was only reintroduced to New Zealand in 1980 – having been stopped in 1945 – so yes, it was pretty new then. Sunday trading, as something normal, only dates to 1990. :slight_smile:

I lived in a small town in northern Canada where businesses were closed Mondays (and Sundays). Things were small enough it made no sense to hire someone for one day or force the owner to work 6 days a week. Things were usually dead during the daytime on weekdays. Even the banks got into the spirit, closing on Monday and opening until 6 or Fridays and 10 to 3 on Saturdays (10-3 was normal the rest of the week too)