Mac vs. PC, part the umpteenth: Reliability of machines you've purchased

Had my first Mac, a Quadra 610, for 7 years, still worked well when I sold it. I wish I still had the keyboard; Apple Extended keyboard is considered one of the classic pieces of computer hardware, a Real Fucking Keyboard with the manly clatter and click, great key travel, and solid construction.

I still have my last two PowerBooks. Both were used for 5 years before upgrading, both still work. My first PowerBook, the G3 Firewire model, was bomb-proof. Never, ever had a hardware problem that didn’t result from my stupidity (I spilled orange juice all over the keyboard. Computer was fine, but the keyboard had to be replaced. I lived out in the sticks, so had to mail it. Still got it back within a week.) Everything else is original and still works. I was still using it for various small tasks until last year.

My second was an aluminum G4. The Sony hard drive failed just after the one year mark, so I had to pay to replace it. That replacement unit was a Toshiba, which hasn’t failed yet after over 5 years of use. The screen started to go wonky after years of bouncing around in a bag or backpack, including occasional 1–2 km runs to catch the shinkansen train, which only came once an hour where I lived. Shimming works, so I’m pretty sure it’s a loose connection caused by rough handling. That didn’t pop up until the last few months of use, which was at around the 6 year mark.

For PCs, my wife’s Sony Vaio had various problems from somewhere in the first year, and got progressively worse. The TV card never worked well, and gradually started to lose contrast, then just stopped working. Thing took ages to boot, and got worse over time. And since it was Sony, there were a bunch of proprietary hardware and software issues, so it’s not like you could just nuke and pave it, like most other machines.

Her second was a built to order computer. I researched all the parts and found a shop to put it together. That worked quite well for the first couple of years, aside from the usual Windows maintenance headaches. In the last year or so, though, it’s been shutting down randomly, rebooting spontaneously, and giving various error messages in BIOS that flash by too quickly for my wife to write down, and that don’t repeat regularly enough to catch. The parts were the best “bang for your buck” at the time, so none of them were the absolute best. Considering that it’s been almost 5 years, everything has lasted relatively well.

From my limited experience, I wouldn’t buy anything made by Sony again. Ever. Sony was also the source of the batteries in Apple products that were catching on fire and exploding a few years back. The BTO Windows computer has had no overt hardware problems, but I’ve invested literally days worth of maintenance hours in keeping Windows happy that I haven’t had to put into my own OS X machines.

I expect my MacBook Pro to last 4–5 years, like each of its predecessors. My wife’s next computer is probably going to be a Mac. I’m tired of wrestling with Windows and can’t expect my wife to put up with the technical headaches of Linux. Not to mention the effort I’d have to put into learning it well enough to teach how to use it as opposed to my occasional dabbling. And finding alternate software for all the things she wants to do.

I’ve used both Mac and PCs. Reliability was never an issue; they were equivalent and seemed to have problems at approximately the same rate.

My issues with Mac are due to their slowness and poor design, not their reliability.

I’ve lost count of the machines I’ve had over the years…The current stable has:

  1. P4 $110 used - I got when CompUSA went out of business, it was a class computer, no clue how it was treated before I got it - Fileserver
  2. The Cheapest Pavilion I could buy three years ago from HP - $300, still going strong…really took off for video encoding when I put a real video card in it.
  3. $1000 P4 I built myself - webserver, still going strong
  4. Alienware Aurora - $1500 newest Beast…tests password hashes at 440 MILLION a SECOND. (I’m in Computer Security)
  5. MacBook Pro Core Duo - $2500 Went through a few fans early on…gets hotter than a sumbitch, but I loved it mightily. Still in use
  6. MacBook Pro Unibody - $2500 Still using it…it just disappears into the background and lets me get my shit done.
  7. Acer Aspire One - The kids computer. Sure wish it had a real Hard Drive
  8. EeePC - dedicated forensics/pentesting box - $250
  9. Acer Generic Laptop $500 - Wife’s computer

Is there ten times the functionality between the lastest Mac Book Pro and the EeePC? Doubtful. But both are great for what I need them for.

The MBP will transcode a 45 minute TV show in 35 minutes. The Alienware will do it in 6. I have a pretty even spread of Windows, OS X, and Ubuntu in the house. I love 'em all for varying reasons. None of them have been particularly problematic, but the Cheapo $400 Laptops I buy for the wife tend to die every 2 years or so. I suspect it was power related as it’s plugged into the kitchen outlet and it was only with this last computer that we put a line conditioner on it.

Yeah, I need to join PC’s Anonymous.

You didn’t ask, but
10. AppleTV okay, gets hot, doesn’t get used much
11. Xbox360 - had to replace the DVD drive
12. Wii - Had to replace the DVD drive
13. PS3 - no problems whatsoever
14. Dish PVR - Twelve Years Old and that 80 Gb drive keeps creaking along
15. Dish HD PVR - No problems

I’ve had about 30 PCs at work and home, and lost two hard drives, two mother boards, three power supplies, and a few keyboards and monitors. Mostly Dells and Gateways. I think the hardware reliability is pretty fair, but there were always enough known bugs in software that I could never really be free from problems. I think any PC involves more or less of a tinkering hobby to keep it working well enough to be useful and plan on having several multi-hour misadventures per year. I wouldn’t try counting the number of lockups.

I’ve had two Sun Sparcstations and two TRS-80s, no hardware problems but some software problems. I’d expect something like weekly lockups from either.

I have one iMac which is my main home machine - I’m using it now. I don’t know of a single software bug on it, though it has locked up about 4 times now in 6 months. I haven’t lost any work or had any multi-hour misadventures. I bought the extended warranty because it was a package that included unlimited phone tech support, which I thought I might need, though it has been easier than I expected and I never used it. I wouldn’t have bought the extended warranty for the hardware coverage.

By the way, I’m very impressed with the construction quality and the solid feel of the hardware. It is genuinely beautiful to handle and touch. It’s like the difference between a lawn sprinkler and a flute - they both look like special purpose plumbing, and maybe neither one needs warranty repair, but there’s a difference in how perfectly all the parts fit and how flawless the surface is and how much it rattles if you wiggle it.

How come I don’t see my responses in the poll? I know I voted because when I tried to vote again, the poll told me so.

Well anyway, I’ve bought low end PCs and have had both good and bad reliability. I’ve bought high and low end Macs and have had good reliability.

Never bought a Mac.

Rarely bought pre-made PCs, and always regretted it when I did. It seemed like a good idea at the time, but…

I build my own. Hundreds by now. Reliability? From excellent to so-so, but at least I can fix it because I built it.

Okay, now I see myself. It wasn’t there at first! I swear I’m not crazy! I swear!

What does reliability for a given brand prove with respect to the systems it manufactures (aside from the outside casing, perhaps)? I had a hard drive fail on a Dell laptop, but it was a Maxtor drive, not a Dell drive. If the hard drive on my Mac fails, it’ll be Seagate’s fault. Or Western Digital, I can’t remember. Computers are so modular that it’s hard to pin a single hardware fault on the company who essentially assembles the parts. Perhaps the emphasis should be on the quality of post-purchase care…

Pretty good luck with both.

I don’t think I’ve ever had a Mac flat out fail on me. Occasionally, one will develop some minor flakiness (my last laptop seemed to have a bad memory connector and would occasionally lose half a gig of RAM). But all the laptops kept chugging on long, long after they were obsolete. I have a Pismo powerbook that still boots up if I could figure out any use for it.

But the Apple power adapters for their laptops are rubbish. Bollocks. Pants. (For some reason, British slang seems oddly suited for expressing something that’s sadly disappointing in quality.) If you’re using a laptop at home, and, you know, using it on your lap, then the cord is going to take a tremendous amount of flexing over the years. So the cords may be aesthetically pleasing and skinny, but if they have one hairlike strand of conductor, they’re going to break. So use a decent gauge of wire, or at least make that part replaceable without having to replace the entire adapter!

I had a Dell laptop for work (circa 2000) and it also still boots up. Doesn’t look that great – various bezels have fallen off over the year, but the power adapter cord is rugged enough to power a bandsaw.

So…in reliability, the machines are about the same, but Apple has made some brain-damaged decisions in pursuit of aesthetics that result in loss of bonus points.