I don’t think so, but it’s essentially irrelevant to the issue at hand, since some 14 yo are going to get pregnant, even if you threaten 14 yo having sex with community service.
You guys are playing the same game, though. You’re trying to frame the most benign examples and then pretend those benign examples are the norm (I was stupid to admit my own history. I should have known it would be used against me).
While I will conced that there are benign examples within a narrow range of age, I will not concede that this range is more than tho or three years. I will not concede that it’s not sleazy for a 24 year old to bang a drunk 15 year old.
Yes, there’s a gray area for young adults, 18, 19, 20. But there comes a point when it’s time to move on and get your paws off the kiddies.
Not to mention the fact that it’s yet to be determined what exactly those boys were victims of.
The question I’m asking is is the 14-year-old completely “ready” for sex if they are not “ready” (as clearly many are not) to deal with the possible consequences?
It’s all fine for a 14-year-old to say, “I know that I’m ready,” but if they get pregnant (or they get someone else pregnant), how often are they “ready” to be responsible? They’re “ready” for the fun part, but not for the not-so-fun part. And so the 14-year-old’s parents often end up dealing with the consequences of something that their kid felt so “ready” to take on. Is that how it goes?
Yes. In our societies, sex and pregnancy are for the most part disconnected. Some are going to be pregnant. But you won’t avoid that by telling them that they should never ever have sex. Only by telling them about avoiding pregnancy.
Yes. That’s a decision that they will have to live with forever. It must be left up to them.
Nope, for the reason given above.
Yes. Parents always have to foot the bill for the mistakes their children made or for the bad things that happened to them. There’s no difference here. Once again, in our societies, teens are ready and willing to have sex, and quite always do have sex. They’re also not ready and unwilling to be parents, and they rarely become parents. That’s our reality, and we must deal with it. Fortunately, contraception and abortion generally prevent the former to cause the latter.
Anyway, if it’s a major issue for the parents, they’ll be able to get rid of their teens and grand-children after some years.
Michael Jackson.
Why do you keep trying to play the “gay” card? You’ve done it here, here, and in the post I’ve quoted. You seem to think that because you’re dumb enough to admit that you’re a hypocritical bastard that the rest of us will be too. Don’t count on it.
Frankly, if you’re going to have statues against heterosexual acts with minors, you ought to have the exact same statues against homosexual acts, and vice versa.
To be honest, though, I don’t really get too freaked about consensual sex in any form. The kids wanna play doctor? Let 'em. They’re happy and having fun, too often in this world people don’t get to have fun, let the kids enjoy themselves while they can. Of course, to your mind, they can’t be having fun. One of them has got to be victimizing the other one.
I said “what”, not “who”. 
Is the verdict in? Because I missed that. I didn’t even know the case had gone to trial yet.
While on the other hand 24 and 15 is the same as 40 and 12.
Anyway, the law says you were abused, so you were abused. By definition. She was a slut and a child rapist, and you’re just in denial if you don’t realize you were. Sorry, but I had to tell you. There’s no excuse for adults fucking children. There must be a cutting line, she didn’t respect the cutting line, so she was a sleazy bitch who couldn’t wait some months more. She should be eating rats in a hole. You won’t get any sympathy for this criminal, but we can certainly recommand you some therapist.
Were you abused when you were younger, by the way? I ask because you seem to have been willing to have sex with her, and sexual abuse at a early age is the only explanation I can see for such a unhealthy interest in having sex with adults when you’re only 17.
What “gay” card? I’m not playing any gay card. I was accused early on of only talking about underage girls, so I decided to to throw in some boys to keep it fair.
Also, I do think that people seem to get more outraged when boys are molested by men than when girls are molested by men. Michael Jackson is a sicko but Jerry Lee Lewis was just a “bad boy.”
I also think that while it’s common for people to talk about how sexually aggressive and willing a 13 or 14 year old girl can be, they never say that about a boy is the victim of a pedophile priest or Michael Jackson.
So yes, I was hoping for a shock response, not because I think homosexaulity is worse (come on, have you read my posts for the past two years? If I was any more pro-gay I’d be wearing a dress), but because I think that sex with a 13 year old girls should be perceived just as badly as the molestation of boys.
If they were really disconnected, there would not be so many “surprise” pregnancies.
True. But you should be able to discourage them from having sex until they are ready to be responsible on their own, shouldn’t you?
Yes. And they still get to expect others to foot the bill of their decision. Over the strong protestations of those who will be left being responsible.
See above.
True enough, but the parents have a right to try to prevent them from making a mistake that they (the parents) end up paying for, right?
And they expect someone else to foot the bill if they mess up, apparently.
Rarely, but they do. Teenage pregnancy rates are lower than they used to be, but they are still with us. Girls have babies every day, and newsflash: they rarely are supporting that baby on their own.
But not always. Also, a boy can do all he can on his side to prevent pregnancy, but he has absolutely no say over what the girl wants to do. So no matter how careful he is, he still is at the mercy of her decision (which is how it should be, of course, since it’s her body).
Quite a few years, if the kid ends up having a baby at age 14. Not so many years (or any) if the kid has a baby at age 16 or above.
I’m not saying that there’s a whole lot that can be done about it. I don’t want teen moms to be forced to have abortions or to give their kids up for adoption. But I don’t think that some of these scenarios (especially from the younger teens) sounds like “ready”—at least not in a full sense. It sounds like “ready for the stuff I want to be ready for—mommy and daddy can take care the the rest, whether they like it or not.”
I already conceded that there was a gray area that examples like mine were mostly benign.
You ask this question facetiously but the answer might surprise you.
What would the older woman have served time for? And wouldn’t you have been liable to serve time for a similar offence? Could you clarify?
Until he’s proven guilty of something, Michael Jackson is just a weirdo.
Yeah, but so far, you’ve not mentioned people like Mary Kay LeTourneau as much as you’ve mentioned the gloved one. So you’re playing the gay card.
You think a lot of things that are quite clearly wrong, but it’s obvious by now you’re not paying attention to anyone but yourself. I wonder if your wife is as frustrated with you as the rest of us are?
You ever read Summer of 42? It’s about a teenage boy who gets the hots for an older woman and pursues her. One of the characters in American Pie hotly pursues an older woman, I don’t see you railing against such things. (Not that I would expect you to, seeing as how you only got your cherry popped by an older woman who was most likely doing a “sympathy fuck” so that you’d chill the fuck out and stop harshing everyone’s buzz at the party.) Mary Kay Letourneau’s beau supposedly pursued her, but I don’t see you talking about her very much.
You know, it just kind of adds to your hypocrisy that you’d you’d post something about homosexuality simply for shock value.
I’m talking about public perception, not legal status.
Not just for shock value, but in the hope that it might jar somebody into looking at the subject in a different light.
What makes you think I’m only talking about legal status?
We’re making progresses…
What about a 24 yo making love with her non-drunk 15 yo boyfriend, instead?
It’s most generally sleazy. Not necessarily always, though, IMO. Let’s say that if I knew about such a relationship, I would assume it’s sleazy until proven otherwise. Not that I could do anything about it, since it’s perfectly legal here.
Though went I think about it, I remember having been attracted to a girl who was probably around 16 (can’t remember) when I was probably around 25 (can’t remember, either). I didn’t think it was sleazy, then. We found ourselves in the same parties with the same people, so apparently we didn’t notice that much the age difference. So, maybe the “eek” factor comes into play when you grow older and begin to perceive teens as “really young”. Or maybe I was a pig. Or maybe it’s not sleazy, after all.
15 yo are not adults, but they aren’t “kiddies”, either.