Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. :rolleyes: You expect me to believe that when you posted comments about how people who commit acts you don’t agree with should be in prison eating rats? Get real. You’re all bullshit and that’s it. You don’t give a damn about those “kiddies” as you so inaccurately put it. You just get your jollies by thinking about some loser being locked up in prison getting gang raped. If you were really the compassionate individual you claim to be, your attitude would be one of “They’re sick, they need professional help. Lock them up in an institution where psychatrists can work with them to see the error of their ways.” But it ain’t, it’s all, “God damn bastards, they need to be some fat, greasy tattooed bastards soft buttery cornhole.”
You remember those threads where you lectured us on the horrors of war that you’d seen first hand? About that girl with no arms, trying to dig through the rubble? By advocating locking up someone whom you define as a sexual predator into a prison system, where you hope that they’re forced to the lowest levels of human existance just to survive, you show yourself to be no better than those you condemned for not being opposed to the war in Iraq.
Take a good look in the mirror, DtC, because you’re everything you hate in the world, you just don’t know it.
Oh, come off it. You said, did you not, that you felt the should be in prison eating rats? Is that really how you think our prison population should be treated? Because if you honestly think that they should be kept in conditions where their only means of survival is by catching vermin and eating them, then you’re advocating that they be kept in a subhuman environment. The kind of environment where people are raped or are forced to prostitute themselves for food. Isn’t that the kind of thing you’ve been railing against all these years, that we here in America are inhumane when it comes to how we treat people we disagree with? And given the fact that the vast majority of the prison population is non-white, doesn’t that make you as bad as those you damned for killing (How was it you put it, exactly? “Brown people” I think?) Iraqis?
You also called people who slept with underage folks no matter what the circumstances “pervs” and “sickos,” and now you contradict yourself and say that you don’t think they’re sick, just “selfish.” (Hey, if wanting to give pleasure another person is selfish, I’m not sure I want to know what the opposite is.) Which is it? Are they “sickos” (and really, that’s a compassionate way to describe the mentally ill, now, isn’t it?)? Or are they selfish? Should they be treated humanely? Or should they be forced to go and fight one another so that they can survive on a diet of raw rat?
You say it was a joke, but yet you still called people who slept with minors "sickos and “pervs”. Throughout this entire thread, you’ve been single minded to the point of absurdity on your stance. You’ve ignored posters who’ve pointed out examples from their own lives where they’ve experienced things that you felt were wrong and harmed them, yet they show no obvious signs of being traumatized. You’ve ignored my questions in the above posts where I’ve asked you how you think prisoners should be treated. Let’s not forget that even in our prisons now, where inmates are given 3 squares a day, that sex offenders are dealt with harshly by other inmates. So even wishing a person guilty of something which you think should be illegal, to be sentenced to prison, is not merely subjecting them to confinment for a small number of years, it’s condemning them to the beatings and rapings which go on.
Pass it all off as “hyperbole” if you want, but you throw it around a little too freely for me to believe that. Methinks that deep down inside, that’s what you really believe, and what you really want to happen to them. You just don’t have the balls to come out and admit it, because you know if you did, you’d get whaled on like nobody’s business.
You really disgust me, you know that? You have the gall to post about how you’re more compassionate than a lot of people, because you’re a pacifist, and then you “joke” about how you’d like to see people forced to eat rats. Don’t you see how saying things undermines everything you claim to believe in? You’ve already had it pointed out to you that you don’t do humor very well, and yet, like some damned idiot you keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Meanwhile, those of us who might be inclined to agree with you on some things, hestitate to do so, since by default you’ve painted everything you touch with a shit stick.
Do you not “get it,” man? You’ve shown up in I don’t know how many threads, said something that was totally off-the-motherfucking-wall, and then come back later and said “I was joking.” Awfully convienent that, and frankly, you do it a little too often for me to find it believable any more. It seems more likely to me that with all your backpedaling, and stonewalling that you’ve done in this thread, that you throw this horseshit out, hoping to gawd that someone will come in and back you up. When they don’t, but instead, proceed to give you the pounding you so richly deserve, you roll over and claim you were making a joke.
Now, unless you’re willing to grow some spine and fess up here (You can either answer the questions I posted above, or admit that you’re a total wanker and all these things that you’ve been calling “jokes” are actually what you really feel, I don’t care which.), I’m done with you. I’ve wasted enough of my time on this thread as it is.
I would say ‘no’.
I"d also say that parental involvement could mitigate factors.
That is, if a family would help parent a child and/or if a girl’s parents made sure she was on the pill rather than just using condoms.
Yes and no…
I’m a poor grad student and I can barely get by myself, surely you’re not going to tell me that I should be a monk and not kiss a woman until I’ve got a nice salary, etc…
Hell, I doubt I’d be responsible enough to have a kid for a few years, again, no kissey-face-grab-ass?
Sex is a powerful, primal, and (Wilhelm Reich argued) necessary part of life. Sometimes the abiity to raise kids isn’t the reasons one would or wouldn’t have sex.
That’s tricky.
First, I’d wager that a trained psychologist would have to make the ultimate judgement, I’m not qualified and I wouldn’t even want to hazard a guess as to whether a random 14 year old could raise a kid, my off-the-cuff answer is “probably not.”
I’m not sure what a parent’s role would be, but yes, I suspsect sometime like ‘veto power’ would apply.
I would also contend that pregnancy, while a possible consequence of sex, is not a necessary one. Sex is not for procreation anymore. As such perhaps it should be handled as an exception rather than a determining-rule?
I wouldn’t disagree.
I’d say that chances rise for sucessful parenting as age increases.
But I’m not going to make any firm and unyielding generalizations just yet.
Didn’t you get the memo?
Women are chaste and inviolate keepers of morality who must be protected from their own impure sex drives.
Men are wolves, and are very scary.
There are no exceptions.
I think that’d probably be me.
I don’t believe anything necessarily is anything.
Does the percentage-chance rise that a 40 year old would be serverly abusing the power-dynamic with a teen rather than a 19 year old with a teen?
Absolutely.
Does it necessarily mean that you couldn’t find a single instance where it wasn’t abhorent?
I won’t go that far, I don’t hold truck with most absolutes.
I disagree.
If parents were responsible about their teenagers sexuality and didn’t try to pretend it didn’t exist there wouldn’t be so many surprise pregnancies.
If, for instance, every parent who had a daugher made sure that she was on the pill when she decided to become sexually active (and the parents knew because they had open and honest conversations) then maybe there’d be a hell of a lot fewer unwanted pregnancies.
You are making it very hard for me to like you right now.
Do I need to quote all the times in this very thread where you’ve called them “sickos” or “perverts” or implied that there was something that must be wrong with them?
Hell, you essentially accused me of deviant behavior and said, by extention, that I should’ve gone to counseling rather than making love to my girlfriend.
(I’m still pretty pissed about that and I’d like an apology please)
Take responsibility for what you say, and if you can’t take responisibility for ‘hyperbole’, don’t make it.
Hyperbole is supposed to at least contain a grain of truth, and it seems that the view you’ve been putting forth relates to them being sick, bad, wrong, etc…
Fair enough. I’d also add that the parents would need to make it clear that they were willing to help to raise a grandchild, if that ended up being the result of their teenager’s sexuality.
No, but you’re not 14. Presumably you don’t have parents who are legally and financially responsible for you. Presumably you can hold down a fulltime job and drive a car.
But as an adult, you don’t expect everyone else to pick up the pieces for you. A 18 year old doesn’t expect to be taken care of so much as a 14-year-old does. I doubt that you expect or feel entitled for your parents to clean up your mistakes. I mean, they might, but they don’t have to, do they? But if you were 14, they would have to.
Well, a lot of people would disagree with you. I’d personally not be terribly comfortable with a teenager having her kid taken away from her (unless she is proven to not be capable of caring for the child), but on the other hand, I think that since her decisions are going to affect her parents, they should have some say. Like, they should be able to decide that she’s not ready for sex yet, because they know that they’ll end up caring for her baby if she gets pregnant.
It never was. But it sometimes happens, no matter how much people don’t want it, or plan it. In the case of a young man, he absolutely has no say over whether the baby is adopted or aborted. No say. So even if he isn’t having sex for procreation, it may end up that way, against his wishes. (And once again, it can’t be any other way. It’s her body, she gets final say.)
But it happens. All the time.
Yes, it does. Which is why a lot of parents (and other people) might think that a teenager is not “ready” when the teenager thinks that they are. Parents know what it’s like to be a parent—to be responsible. A parent also doesn’t want to be left “holding the bag” of the consequences of their kid’s decision, and who can blame them?
Just for the sake of argument, if I actually were to offer any apologies, would they be taken in good faith or would just be accused of “backpedalling?”
If the latter is the case then why should I bother? I might even be sincere but I don’t want to get kicked in the teeth for it. I’m screwed either way.
Well, Ill let him know if thats what he
wanted that his wife is I s l o fucked yes and damn well fucked too up to
my neck nearly not by him 5 or 6 times handrunning theres the mark of his
spunk on the clean sheet I wouldnt bother to even iron it out that ought
to satisfy him if you dont believe me feel my belly unless I made him
stand there and put him into me Ive a mind to tell him every scrap and
make him do it out in front of me serve him right its all his own fault
if I am an adulteress as the thing in the gallery said O much about it if
thats all the harm ever we did in this vale of tears God knows its not
much doesnt everybody only they hide it I suppose thats what a woman is
supposed to be there for or He wouldnt have made us the way He did so
attractive to men then if he wants to kiss my bottom Ill drag open my
drawers and bulge it right out in his face as large as life he can stick
his tongue 7 miles up my hole as hes there my brown part
I can’t speak for anybody else, but if you were honest in your apology and that would mean that you no longer considered me ‘sick’ or in need of counseling for making love to a 17 year old, I’d accept your apology in good faith.
Otherwise your apology would only ammount to being sad that you got caught, but that you still consider many of us in this thread to be ‘sick’ or ‘perverts’ or ‘victims’. I don’t have any sympathy for that.
Admit that you might just be wrong, that the issue is more complicated than it looks in black and white, and that the people in this thread who you’ve insulted aren’t monsters or perverts or sickos or whatever.
I for one will readily accept your apology.
P.S. Yosemite: I’ll get to your points in a bit, off to go munch upon something.
Ooh, ooh, I’ve got that apology thing down cold:
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[li]You tell the person that you understand how your actions made them feel[/li][li]You say that you are sorry for those actions[/li][li]You don’t perform those actions again[/li][/ul]
That’s all there is to it. How other people immediately react to your apology is irrelevant. Time will tell the tale. It’s all within you - that you honestly and sincerely perform those three steps.
You’re right—education about birth control would go a long way in helping prevent suprise pregancies. But even when birth control is used properly, it fails. So why should parents (or taxpayers) have to pay for the times when it does fail? In a short while the teenager will be old enough to be more responsible for their own choices, and misfortunes.
Am beginning to hear Benny Hill music as I read this thread.
Chasing each other in circles around the tree of reason. Which is hopefully not a ginkgo tree.
yes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes.
