What kind of liberation would that be to forsake an absurdity which is both logical and coherent and embrace one which is illogical and incoeherent?
This is the kind of reaction I’m afraid of but here goes anyway;
[deep breath]
I don’t believe that anyone in this thread is sick, or a criminal or that they have been the victims of any criminals.
I’m sorry that I insulted and offended so many people in such a manner.
I acknowledge that the subject at hand is far more murky and complex than my own broad pronouncements have made it out to be.
I really did mean the rat remark to be a joke but I should have used a winky. That seems to have been one of the most badly failed attempts at humor I’ve evr tried to get off around here.
I have a tendency to sometimes go more over the top in my rhetoric than I really feel, not consciously to piss people off but just because I get emotional.
It still bothers me to see adult males more than a few years removed from high school macking around after very young girls. MOST (not all) of the time, these guys are just creeps and if you guys are honest you’ll acknowledge that.
A 24 year old man who has opportunistic sex with a drunk 15 year old girl at a party is not exactly engaging in an act of love.
Something happened to me when I was 12 or 13 which strongly colors my views on this (even more than having a daughter). I’d rather not go into detail but if you use your imagination I’m sure you can figure out what it was.
I’ve been going back and forth on that last part because I don’t think I’ve talked about it on the board before and it sounds a little pat but there it is. It took me a while to even figure out that was why I was so pissed and so unwilling to bend on this but I think that’s a lot of it.
That’s still no excuse for insulting people andI apologize again.
Stately:
More of them warm embraces, eh? ~evil grins~ I could get used to that.
Dio:
Namaste.
I for one accept your apology in the spirit it was given.
It even appears that the Dope has lived up to its credo today.
As for the rest, I wish you well and hope that, if necessary and desireable to you, the demons you’ve got are brought to light and dealt with.
Best wishes.
Agreed.
Parents should always endevour to be open and honest and communicate in a forthright manner to make their children fully aware of the dynamics of sex.
True enough, but I certainly couldn’t care for a child.
I guess this point was essentially just a quibble though, so I’ll drop it.
Well, truth be told, I’d hope that parents would always help their children, no matter what the age. After all, if someone’s daughter got preggers at age 18, they wouldn’t (I’d hope) feel that they had no responsibility to help.
I’m sure.
But that’s my intution/hunch, I could be wrong, I’ve not thought about it, and I’m certiantly not making any absolute pronouncements.
Yes, it’s a sticky issue… I’m not quite sure what ‘official position’ I have, so I’ll beg off for right now.
Yes, that too is a sticky situation.
I think though that by using a birth control method with close to 100 percent effectiveness (like the pill) coupled with honest and open parenting, such unwanted pregnancies would be somewhat rare.
But no, that doesn’t answer what to do about the rare ones.
I think that such methods as the pill or ‘the shot’ (is it depo?) have a virtually perfect sucess rate if used correctly. Am I wrong?
After that, no, I’m not sure how to solve the issue of unwanted pregnancy, gimme a few hours 
Glad to hear it Dio. For my part, I never felt insulted or offended, because I know that your viewpoint is well-intentioned. We’re all coming from very personal places, here.
You remain (and have always been) alright by me, for whatever that’s worth.
Total agreement here. Of course, I think “macking around” is creepy no matter who’s involved, but obviously people who focus on people they perceive as naive or easy-to-impress in order to get sex are skeevy. It was only the assumption that that was what was happening based only on the given ages that raised hackles.
Cheers.
Wanders off looking for some plump Joycean to flirt with
Thanks, Master, for such a subtle technique!
Actually, your posts have been about sophism, chain-jerking, and your own big ol’ hangups (Hershey highway, indeed!).
An all-time low.
Well, if you insist.
What’s your sign? 
Um, “This the way to the Museyroom – Mind your hats goan in!”
No, wait, that can’t be right. :eek:
OK, Dio cool apology. Thanks.
Sorry to hear you had a bad experience. I wish you the best in dealing with it.
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May I assume this also colors your view of Michael Jackson?
Sure, he was up to something with those boys but all we have for now is conjecture. The only ones who know exactly what that something was aren’t talking.
She would’ve served time for statutory rape, if i understand North Carolina laws correctly. I wouldn’t’ve, since I was less than two years older than my girlfriend.
Dio, I appreciate your apology. As I said, I grew up watching things like this happen a lot, and I also grew up with a lot of friends who had been sexually abused. It was very clear to me as a teenager which was which, and that both were pretty common.
My problem with your position in this thread has been than you seem to consider “nobody was hurt” not to be a valid defense. I think it must be a defense, since otherwise, the law itself has great potential to hurt people, as in my example where I could’ve gotten a woman sent to prison who really didn’t need to go there.
Daniel