I can’t be the only one who noticed that you could totally see Joy’s boobs when she took her top off. Obscured by the reflection on the water later, but visible for a second at first. That surprised me on basic cable.
Hmm … I didn’t see anything. I thought they were under water the whole time.
I totally didn’t recognize Joy the second time they showed her. The updo made her look like a completely different person.
Who the hell was Christian supposed to be? There seemed to be an implication that he had some special relationship with Joy.
And anyone got any ideas on the “pig” issue?
Yeah, during the meeting, Bertie turns to Roger and says, “There’s the man I heard so much about!” so he definitely feels more confident with a belt or three in him. I suspect, though, that this being back on top of his game is only going to be temporary and he’s going to fall apart again. I think his drinking is going to spiral out of control again, and it’ll be interesting to see how long it takes.
I think he burned it, but maybe somebody else will remember for sure (or I’ll go through the recaps at TWoP and find it).
Geobabe is right. In the Midwest, “It’s Dick Whitman” can sound very much like like “Stick Whitman.”
We also say “Jeet? Squeet!” (“Did you eat? Let’s go eat!”)
Most people associate Miserlou with Dick Dale’s frenetic version. Miserlou (or Misirlou), meaning “Egyptian Girl”, is actually a Greek piece of music dating to about 1927. The original version is more like the one we heard on Mad Men (slow and sensual), rather than Dale’s version. I remember it as a line dance from my old college days.
I’m with you. I was sure there was a flash of watery boobage that the editor missed.
I just went through that scene in super slow motion (I have it on Itunes). I don’t see anything other than vaguely flesh-colored underwater squiggles. There never is a recognizable breast shape, so far as I can tell.
The implication is also that he was a complete disaster when he was drinking full-time, that it led to the dissolution of his marriage and harmed his career. I think it giveth and it taketh away.
The jet setters just might give it to him. Joy said her father would “take care” of whatever Don needed.
I agree with this. I think there had to be people on the vanguard, who were ahead of their time with pushing social boundaries. Kurt, Peggy, and Paul are all doing that in their own ways.
Allow me my fantasy, damn it!
It seemed to me she was saying that if Don took up her offer to become part of the Viscomte’s entourage, he wouldn’t have to worry about his living and travel expenses.
First of all, I doubt Willy has enough money to buy his pet hangers-on entire Manhattan companies. The guy is living off an inherited fortune. He doesn’t work for money himself.
And if they’re going to be running companies, then how can they be hangers-on? They were emphasizing that none of them worked.
Here’s an interesting page about Mousourlou/Misirlou/Miserlou:
The Mysteries of “Misirlou”
If you scroll down you can listen to several versions from the years 1930 - 1993.
Although it was originally a Greek song, I thought it was perfect for these CA scenes. It has a very seductive and mysterious, tropical feel to it in this version.
Was it ever established who that guy was and who the children were? From the way he was talking to Joy, it almost seemed like he was an ex and they were her kids.
It’s right when she takes it off. Like I said, it’s obscured later. I doubled-checked on my DVR and it’s definitely there. I saw it better in full-motion than I did going frame by frame for some reason. It’s very brief.
I just looked again. We’ll have to agree to disagree on this … I see nothing that would be recognizable a breast if you didn’t already know that there was supposed to be breast there.
No, they know him as Don, even though they have reason to believe he may have had a past life as someone named Dick. They don’t know him as Dick. My point was that whomever he called knows him as Dick.
ETA: I was looking closely for nipple and was disappointed to not see any. I wouldn’t be surprised if in post they blurred out any trace of it from underwater.
The person he phoned as Dick Whitman must be the woman who confronted him with “You’re not Don Draper” when he was selling cars.
Was she looking for the real Don Draper? Or was she looking for Dick and somehow discovered that he was passing himself off as Don?
Doper speculation needed here! Who do you think she is?
You guys know there are lots and lots of boobies - of all colors, shapes and sizes, available in full exposure and in pairs - all over the internet, for free…right?
Nice link there, 4everkid. Very informative!
First of all, it’s just my speculation, so arguing about it is sort of pointless, but they wouldn’t be running it. Don would be, on their behalf. Seems like exactly the kind of thing they’d do-- throw money at someone and let him do their dirty work. Don can’t not work, IMO. It’s part of his nature.
The boy looked to be at least 8 years old. If Joy is 21, there’s pretty much no way it’s her kid. Also, he was telling Joy that he was tired of dealing with his wife’s lawyers, who were keeping his kids away from him. Joy’s not their mother. Maybe Christian is her brother.
That happens years ago (I’m thinking about a decade).
I think there is a point to be made here – It’s pretty clear to me that Joy was not offering Don money to do whatever he wanted, nor was she offering him a salary. She was offering Don a specific position – as a companion – and reassuring him that his expenses would be paid.
How much money do you think they’re willing to throw around, and for what benefit? How would it benefit Viscomte Willie to pay for Don to run an advertising agency?
Willie was offering to support Don as part of his entourage. There’s no reason to believe that he would support Don unless Don was actually in his physical company.
“You’re good looking and you don’t talk much.” That was the benefit that Willie would be getting from supporting Don. He would not be getting that benefit if Don was off running Sterling Cooper.
And this emphasizes the decision that Don has to make – Don’s not being offered freedom by Joy and Viscomte Willie in the form of untold riches – he’s being offered a position as a kind of servant who gets to live in comfort.