Mafia: Goontown [Game Over]

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601

Though **Mahaloth **has acted scummy in previous days, I find myself a bit torn now.

Johnny Bravo laid out a massive case against him at the end of Night 2. If **Mahaloth **were truly scum, I would imagine he would have really pushed for **Bravo **to be night-killed.

The fact that **Bravo **is still alive makes me wonder.

What is bothering me the most, though, are the two lurkers from Day 2 - Knowed Out and Sunny Daze. Each had six posts. That’s six posts in five real-world days, or a little over one post per day. Though a low post count isn’t scummy in itself, it certainly isn’t pro-town. They added virtually NOTHING to the conversation.

Referring back to my post here (#580) where I broke down the **Biotop **voting, one thing sticks out. It’s Sunny Daze. He hardly makes a peep until **Bravo **makes a case (albeit the wrong one). Then SD tacks on his vote, merely piggy-backing off **Bravo’s **argument.

That to me is the perfect scummy “blend-in” vote.

Vote Sunny Daze

602

Part of me thinks **Mahaloth **is town but is just seriously misplaying it.

603

Yeah, so I am kind of fine with Sunny being lynched as well. We had Johnny Bravo(who I’m going to put in the Town category today), Sunny Daze(def. a possible scum), and snfaulkner(def. possible scum) as rapid-fire voters on Biotop.

I bet it is actually you and Sunny Daze. Or maybe you and Snfaulkner. To be fair, I have to also consider it could be Daze and Faulkner…but I still think I got your number when you decided to slap that reverse-engineered vote on me.

If it is Bravo and Faulkner/Daze, I feel kind of screwed at this point.

604

This is the very essence of WIFOM.

Say I had been killed last night - would you then be saying, “ah ha! Johnny Bravo has been killed, and therefore his case against Mahaloth must be true!”?

If so, then why would they kill me? Wouldn’t my being alive be a point in favor of my case rather than against it?

Point being, you can’t build cases based on what scum might do or might not do. You make decisions based on what’s happened in the thread, not based on what might have happened in the scum backchannel.

605

Yes, I meant to point this out as well. Scum sometimes kill people onto them and sometimes they avoid killing people onto them. It’s hard to learn much from their choices and in a vanilla game like this…it’s probably pointless to look at the NK’s too closely.

For example, why snoe? He voted Biotop, a person we now know for sure is town.

I appreciate not being voted for, but I wouldn’t rely on much data drawn from NK choices in this game.

606

I said multiple times I was moving yesterDay (AKA last week). Real Life happens. Day 1 I posted more. ToDay I will post more. Day 2 I did not post as much. If the only reason to vote me is that I didn’t post as much yesterday, as opposed to actual behavior, you’re making weak votes.

In my opinion, Johnny is taking the time to do real analysis. The rest of you are mostly making sweeping meta arguments. Meta reads are indicative of possible behavior. Scum can also play against their past behavior. I think meta reads are of limited use.

Knowed Out why are you so convinced about Hi, Neighbor?

Johnny Bravo, why were you so sure you would be night killed? You started mentioning it earlier in the Day if I recall correctly.

607

Current vote count:

Mahaloth: 1 (Johnny Bravo 598)
Hi, Neighbor: 2 (Knowed Out 599, Mahaloth 600)
Sunny Daze: 1 (Hi, Neighbor 601)

608

At what point did I say that?

609

Ok, it has been a long, sad, lonely weekend with no dogs in the house (though there is one cat I sometimes see, but that barely counts.)

I’m catching up now. I should have some words to say later this afternoon. But from a quick scummy skim, I’m not sure why snoe was NK’d. But it is good to play withe with fresh names, though.

610

You were the last voter on Biotop. Assuming you aren’t going to suggest yourself as scum, do you think one of the other Bio voters is? Or two?

I guess I’m just asking who you think is scum since Bio ended up being Town.

611

Right now, I’m thinking maybe you and neighborino. But I admit I’ve been pretty distracted today. Maybe I’ll finally get some good sleep tonight and have my head in the game tomorrow.

612

Here is the total post count for the entire game:


snfaulkner 	93
[del]Biotop 	87[/del]
[del]snoe 	77[/del]
[del]Stranger On A Train 	66[/del]
[del]Prof. Pepperwinkle 	65[/del]
Johnny Bravo 	54
Hi, Neighbor! 	41
Mahaloth 	37
Sunny Daze 	34
Knowed Out 	22

We lynched Stranger and Biotop. Scum killed Prof. P and snoe.

Scum is often incentivized to kill talkative townies just by virtue of how the game works, and the participation rule further reinforces it. We’ve helped them out by lynching from the top of the pool as well.

So why was snoe killed over snfaulkner? Is it because he’s scum or is it because scum is intentionally leaving a talkative townie alive as a diversion? No way to know, but it’s worth looking at him more closely before EoD.

Note that doesn’t mean I will necessarily do it. There are currently three other townies alive. Even if you’ve got a vote down, don’t sit on it. There’s a lot of day left to maybe dig something up.

613

I really do believe that we are guilty often of lynching the loud. Then again, I get lynched all the time and I am a “beer zone” kind of player, that middle to low level.

Now you got me wondering if Knowed Out is a low-posting scum and relying on the fact we’d never lynch someone down there on the low post level.

614

The post count and lynch results are pretty damning against snfaulkner.

I can only imagine scum wouldn’t be too aggressive and lynch ALL the top posters. Perhaps they wanted to make **snfaulker **stick out like a sore thumb Today and they figured town would take the bait.

He would be the perfect lynch candidate today, though, wouldn’t he? The last prolific poster who hasn’t been lynched, AND he voted to lynch both the now deceased Stranger On A Train & Biotop.

The only other player to vote for those two towns is Johnny Bravo.

615

Yeesh, he’s almost in the “we’re idiots if we don’t lynch him and he played like this” category.

616

Look at it this way… the superanalytical here have used formulas and cussed and discussed and looked under every nook and cranny for hidden messages, innuendos, and similies and mataphors, then they wondered what’s a meta for? And thus far, G00SE EGG! Did you see the two zeroes in G00SE? That’s exactly how much they’ve gotten right. TWO ZEROES!

So consider me already a more reliable scum sniffer.

617

So your argument is that we should follow along with you because you’re not bothering to play the game?

Meanwhile:

There are only two conclusions:

  1. You’re newbie town who is honestly just messing around with no intention of playing the game the way it’s meant to be played.
  2. You’re scum who is using the newbie thing as smoke screen.

If it’s #1, it’s extremely disappointing because (as has been previously mentioned) this game completely, 100% breaks down if town does not play with integrity and purpose.

If it’s #2, kudos I suppose. You’re definitely giving off a much larger “newbie not taking the game seriously” vibe than a scum vibe.

618

snfaulkner really does stick out there alone at the top, doesn’t he? All of the top posters below him are dead. The options are that scum left him alone at the top, in a position to possibly win a tie against them, or that he is scum. He’s been much quieter lately. I know IRL he’s had some personal things happening - it’s hard to know if that’s a tell. Maybe?

On the other end, we have the aggressively obnoxious Knowed Out. Is he scum hiding with a low post count and sheer jerkitude? I thought it was too obvious when I considered it earlier, but I’m not so sure now. It’s an interesting defense. He contributes nothing and is ignored. The result is that he’s still in the game.

619

thinking out loud

If **Bravo **is scum, he’s damn good. I know he’s experienced, but if he turns out to be scum, this has been a master class on how to play it.

His posts during Night 2 (#589, #590, #591, #593, #595) was a solid analytical breakdown.

In past games I’ve played, these were actually pretty common. Yes they take some work, but listing a whole summary of a player’s post was an easy way to read through their train of thought as the game progressed.

So yeah, if **Bravo **is scum, then he’s going above and beyond of what any other player thus far has done in this game.

After all that entire argument, however, I am still not convinced **Mahaloth **is scum.

I pointed out earlier that if **Mahaloth **were scum, he may have been compelled to push for **Bravo **being night killed. People then said it would too obvious of a move.

But **Mahaloth **also knew **I **was most likely going to vote for him Today as well. But I’m still alive, too.

The fact that two players who, before Today, were most likely going to vote for **Mahaloth **are still alive, leads me to believe that **Mahaloth **is in fact town. Surely he would have wanted at least ONE person who was going to vote for him today to be night killed.

We are being played here.

Methinks **snfaulker **might be the puppet master, and either Sunny Daze or Knowed Out is his minion, following his every command.

620

Biotop said something almost identical to this in the last game I played with him. Except I was town and he was scum. This post alone is almost enough to make me vote for you.

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After some thought:

unvote Mahaloth
vote Knowed Out

For the reasons I outlined above. Either he’s scum, hiding behind a newbie defense, in which case he must be lynched. Or he’s a newbie playing a purposefully anti-town game, in which case he must be lynched.

This should have been done before toDay, when the stakes weren’t quite as high, but even my case on Mahaloth isn’t much more than circumstantial. His consistent and too-ready defense of Biotop itches me to no end, but there’s not too much more than that.

If we must go to LyLo, let us do it with a solid policy lynch.