About 24 hours until the end of the Day. Only posts with time stamps strictly before 12 noon PT tomorrow will be in Day One. This goes for votes and powers.
If you have a question about the rules, please read through my posts in this thread, since it’s quite possible I have already addressed your question.
I’ll post a vote count in the mid afternoon.
No value in my claim? So a possible Loyal Hacker has no value?
If you have that outlook, why not vote to lynch any claim? After all, no value in them, right?
[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts]
Surely you think a Hacker is a pretty useful role for Town to have, if I’m telling the truth?
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[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts]
So I guess the fact that I could really be a Town Hacker means nothing.
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As noted, claiming Hacker doesn’t make you more likely to be Loyal than just claiming Loyal. But Idle’s using the threat of our losing his powers to drive away suspicion of him. It comes across as an attempt to push buttons that frankly, didn’t need to pushed. It’s possible to talk your way out of votes, rather than reach for the claim immediately. And from a self-preservation point of view, claiming a power-role in a game with no Doc doesn’t actually increase your life expectancy terribly far if you are Town. (And in the last quote, the wording of “the fact that I could really be a Town Hacker” seems a little off. Shouldn’t it be the fact that “I am really a Town Hacker”?)
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I agree with Natlaw, Glowacks and Stanislaus: Vote Idle Thoughts 6/10
Vote Mahaloth - Lots of conversation during the Doctor Dance discussion, then dropped off the map except to pop up and vote. I also don’t give a lot of weight to his justification of his vote on Peek. That may be because I have very little sense of anyone’s posting style from prior games or around the board in general, but that seems like a lot to base a vote on, with no other reasoning listed. 4/10
I’m leaning toward Hal Briston and Drain Bead to round it out to 4, but I’m waiting to hear more from Hal, as promised, and I expect that the other votes on Drain will motivate him(her?) to
Unvote peekercpa
Vote fluiddruid
Vote Idle Thoughts
Vote Hal Briston
Vote Drain Bead, only player with no votes at all
That makes it if my count it right:
Ugh, updated it wrong with my own vote swap, should be:
Yup, so I’m back to my original reason to vote and your continued pushing of only your claim vs letting a claimed, rather weak, power live for now.
How are my previous posts where I explained that not clear enough?
Why unvote Red Skeezix but not peeker? You voted them for the same reason.
I still don’t understand what you mean here.
As I’ve already said TWICE now, that is wrong.
You, in thinking that, are wrong.
I didn’t vote for Peeker for that reason.
I voted for Peeker (this is the third time I’m saying this, mind you, so I hope I don’t have to say it again), for VOTING FOR NON-EXISTENT PLAYERS TWICE.
Is that any more clear now?
So kindly please attributing me voting for Peeker for not voting all four votes at once. That is wrong. I don’t know how more clearly I can say it. English is your first language, right?
NETA: Kindly please STOP attributing me…
Ah, excuse me for looking at your actual vote post.
So it’s now:
So you vote him for a joke vote and a test vote. I find that a weaker reason than why I voted peeker: he let three valid, but test votes stand and then made them count when he placed a fourth valid vote on you (two posts after you vote him).
What’s your point? It doesn’t change the fact he tried to vote for players not in the game, twice. And since I had nothing else to go on at the time, seemed “trying to shuck a ‘real’ fourth vote” was a good enough reason.
So mind explaining the first part of your post? The part I still don’t understand (which is the reason you’re voting for me, apparently).
vote fubbleskag 3/10 confidence.
Admitting that your votes are weak or border-line “me too” a) doesn’t make them less so and b) looks like you’re trying to duck responsibility for them pre-emptively.
Also the non-“me too” votes (NAF and peeker) come with little reasoning, and that odd. In what way is NAF too combative. How is peeker disrupting the thread? He seems to have picked up votes for disrupting it a lot less than usual.
I’m also going to vote TexCat. This is a “curious incident of the dog in the night-time” post:
With 24 hours to go, our captain has barely said a word about arrest warrants. This is a little suspicious but what really bothers me is that our Chief of Security isn’t agitating on this point. He’s got a vote against the Captain, but that’s based on Hal’s own votes. TexCat has barely mentioned his own role. It smacks to me of someone who’s more interested in keeping a low profile than in making sure Town is on the ball.
vote TexCat 3/10 confidence
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vote Mahaloth** 4/10 confidence
Of these four votes, two are following other people’s lead (Hal and Idle) and one is self-contradictory. The reasoning for all of them is curt to say the least, and Mahaloth doesn’t seem to have been interested in provoking responses from people It’s very much a fly-in, fly-out post which can make it hard for people to engage or defend themselves.
What really troubles me is the vote for glowacks. Maha demands that people consider motives - but omits to suggest what glowacks motive for his “suspect” post is. I can’t think of a reason for scum to announce that they’ll be avoiding consideration of motive when voting, and if Maha can he hasn’t shared it with us. I think that this shows Maha was more interested in finding some sort of a hook for his necessary four votes than in trying to find scum-motivated players to vote for.
So to sum up, I’m voting:
Idle Thoughts for using his unneccessary claim to scare off votes and suspicion;
**Mahaloth **for under-explained and contradictory votes;
**TexCat **for not being proactive about using his role in Town’s best interests;
fubbleskag for poorly reasoned and me-too votes.
When you voted peeker and Red Skeezix you voted them “for the same reason” - your own words. No you say you didn’t vote them for the same reason.
I think I got into a nitpick argument with you at a game on your forum - ah found it, Space Hijack and you were town there.
Which part do you not understand? My original reason to vote for you or the part where your claim doesn’t change that reason at all?
At this point I’m feeling my fluiddruid vote more and I’m considering unvoting Drain Bead and Idle for anyone with only a few votes to make that clear (but we haven’t even broken the lynch threshold yet).
Day One Vote Count
All Votes by Voting Player
Hal Briston => fluiddruid (74), TexCat (74), peekercpa (74), Mahaloth (74).
fluiddruid => Natlaw (286), peekercpa (286), Mahaloth (286), Red Skeezix (286).
TexCat => Hal Briston (241), Idle Thoughts (241).
peekercpa => [del]Normal Phase (65-126)[/del], [del]Stanislaus (65-126)[/del], [del]fubbleskag (65-126)[/del], [del]Normal Phase (126-275)[/del], [del]Hal Briston (126-275)[/del], [del]Drain Bead (126-275)[/del], Idle Thoughts (237), Inner Stickler (275), Hal Briston (276), peekercpa (276).
Mahaloth => Hal Briston (284), Idle Thoughts (284), peekercpa (284), glowacks (284).
Inner Stickler => Hal Briston (223), Crackrat (223), [del]Idle Thoughts (223-287)[/del], Normal Phase (223), Drain Bead (287).
Red Skeezix => Hal Briston (173), [del]Idle Thoughts (244-289)[/del], [del]Inner Stickler (244-289)[/del], fluiddruid (289), Stanislaus (289), Drain Bead (289).
glowacks => Idle Thoughts (291), Hal Briston (291), NAF1138 (291), Drain Bead (291).
Natlaw => [del]Inner Stickler (254-294)[/del], Idle Thoughts (255), Hal Briston (267), [del]peekercpa (267-324)[/del], fluiddruid (294), Drain Bead (324).
Normal Phase => [del]NAF1138 (72-92)[/del], [del]Stanislaus (72-92)[/del], [del]peekercpa (72-92)[/del], [del]Drain Bead (72-92)[/del], Drain Bead (258), [del]Crackrat (261-318)[/del].
fubbleskag => Idle Thoughts (320), peekercpa (320), NAF1138 (320), Drain Bead (320).
Crackrat => [del]Inner Stickler (279-311)[/del], Idle Thoughts (323), Mahaloth (323).
Stanislaus => Idle Thoughts (312), fubbleskag (332), TexCat (333), Mahaloth (334).
Drain Bead => no votes.
Idle Thoughts => peekercpa (235), [del]Red Skeezix (235-319)[/del], [del]Inner Stickler (235-288)[/del], Natlaw (235).
NAF1138 => [del]glowacks (299-317)[/del], peekercpa (302), fluiddruid (305), Stanislaus (309).
Net Votes
Hal Briston (6) <= peekercpa, Mahaloth, Inner Stickler, Red Skeezix, glowacks, Natlaw.
Idle Thoughts (6) <= peekercpa, Mahaloth, glowacks, Natlaw, fubbleskag, Stanislaus.
peekercpa (5) <= Hal Briston, fluiddruid, peekercpa, Mahaloth, fubbleskag.
Drain Bead (5) <= Inner Stickler, Red Skeezix, glowacks, Natlaw, fubbleskag.
Mahaloth (3) <= Hal Briston, fluiddruid, Stanislaus.
fluiddruid (3) <= Hal Briston, Red Skeezix, Natlaw.
TexCat (2) <= Hal Briston, Stanislaus.
NAF1138 (2) <= glowacks, fubbleskag.
Natlaw (1) <= fluiddruid.
Red Skeezix (1) <= fluiddruid.
Inner Stickler (1) <= peekercpa.
glowacks (1) <= Mahaloth.
Crackrat (1) <= Inner Stickler.
Normal Phase (1) <= Inner Stickler.
Stanislaus (1) <= Red Skeezix.
fubbleskag (1) <= Stanislaus.
With 16 players eligible to vote, 8 votes are needed to space. With these votes, no one will be spaced.
In case it wasn’t clear, “ties” are listed in tie-broken order.
What was “unneccessary” about it? I had five people voting for me at the time I claimed and was in the lead with votes.
Not different from here then.
The bolded part (which is mine).
I’m not sure what I could possibly say that I haven’t. I’ve said that my role is subject to the Captain’s whims. I can’t do anything until he does something. I’ve said that I don’t think we necessarily need to brig someone this early in the game. I’m not sure we should be brigging people without a good reason. Either we think they are scum and want to prevent them from voting or doing other evil, or we think they are town and want to prevent them from being night killed. Up until the mason claim, I didn’t think we had a good grasp on either. If you want to brig Inner Stickler, you need to lobby Hal to do it. Your suggestions to Hal carry just as much weight as mine do.
Since toDay ends while I’m in class tomorrow, I will make my votes official.
Vote Hal Briston
Vote Drain Bead
I will attempt to check back in the morning before the end of things, and hopefully have something else from either of these last two.
Looking at the vote totals and going back over the actions of a couple of the leaders I am not voting for (peeker, fluiddruid), I don’t see anything in their behavior that’s suggestive of scum or at all unreasonable. I may not agree with their premises that much, but I don’t see the cases for votes.
The votes for peeker seem to be predicated on his joke votes which I hold to be of no consequence or on metagame aspects that I cannot corroborate. 0/10
fluiddruid might be catching heat for making a slight error in recollecting past reasoning, but I can’t ascribe scum intentions to that slip-up. As to the reasons behind his votes, I agree with the decision to vote for the most recent people voting for Idle once taking as a premise that the bandwagon on him was likely to contain multiple scum. I find that premise a reasonable belief to hold, I just don’t agree with it. 0/10
For Mahaloth though, I’m less certain. He’s not participated further, and someone has corroborated my feeling that his reason for voting me was hypocritical given his other votes. I’m also concerned that he hasn’t put in an exam request. 2/10
However, he’s spared a vote because Drain Bead has drawn even more suspicion for continual silence. 4/10
Idle doesn’t look any better than previously with his continuing to push his claim as though it means something. 6/10
Hal has made a half-hearted attempt to explain himself, but hasn’t actually said anything of consequence and maintains votes that have no reason behind them despite the opportunity to remove them. 5/10
With someone providing a legitimate case for NAF’s claim along with my complete failure to find an actual scenario that matches with my potential hypothetical one, I’m not as leery of his claim. I still find it a bit suspect to make, and think his manner of playing is more suitable for scum. 3/10
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I’ll probably have another post tomorrow morning. I project a possibility of unvoting NAF and voting Mahaloth, but I’ll see what’s up then.