I assume this is intended to be a vote? I will count it, but please use blue, not navy. Navy is too hard to distinguish from black and I might miss it if scanning the thread in a hurry.
I’ll post a vote count around lunch time.
Sorry 'bout that, heh heh.
Day Two Vote Count
All Votes by Voting Player
Hal Briston => no votes.
fluiddruid => no votes.
TexCat => Hal Briston (428).
peekercpa => fubbleskag (458), Hal Briston (458), Mahaloth (458), fluiddruid (458).
Idle Thoughts => glowacks (459).
Mahaloth => no votes.
Inner Stickler => no votes.
Red Skeezix => no votes.
glowacks => no votes.
Normal Phase => fubbleskag (426), fluiddruid (426), Mahaloth (426), Hal Briston (426).
fubbleskag => no votes.
Crackrat => no votes.
Stanislaus => fubbleskag (456).
NAF1138 => no votes.
Net Votes
Hal Briston (2) <= peekercpa, Normal Phase.
fluiddruid (2) <= peekercpa, Normal Phase.
fubbleskag (2) <= peekercpa, Normal Phase.
Mahaloth (2) <= peekercpa, Normal Phase.
With 14 players eligible to vote, 7 votes are needed to space. With these votes, no one will be spaced.
Well that’s interesting.
I was going to vote for peek again today anyway, but Normal will get a vote now too.
**Vote Peekercpa
Vote Normal Phase**
… OK.
And peeker making the same votes as I did makes me scummy how? Do you have any comments to make based on anything anyone’s actually said?
Screw it, NAF, that’s just about the worst-reasoned vote I’ve ever seen from a player as good as you. I need to make space; I guess Hal’s getting the boot.
unvote Hal Briston
vote NAF
No it isn’t. Really I am sure there have been worse.
I am looking for patterns in the noise and I already am convinced peek is scum. Everything else is just testing.
NETA: Also, you know better than to vote for someone because you disagree with their methods.
So why are you voting for me then?
And why do you think peeker’s scum?
I think peeker is scum because of his posting style and relative quiet. It’s his tell, he can’t really help it.
He has 58 posts, the second-highest in the game so far (to my 74, cough ). I’ve seen him be a mason and post less. So you’re factually inaccurate on that count. As to style, you’ve said nothing about him that anyone can hold you to. It’s day two and you have one vote placed on the basis of unspecific “style”/unfactual posting frequency; and one vote placed on the basis of … he made the same votes as me? Something?
Sure, but everyone knows that I am not saying anything that anyone can hold me to. It’s not like I am being sneaking about taking an idiosyncratic approach to this game.
Vote fubbleskag - Yesterday’s pre-emptive apologies and lack of real justification for his votes, or discussion in general.
Vote Hal Briston - Random votes, promises of activity with none coming (particularly since he’s the only one we can’t brig for inactivity), and then ending the day without a full set of votes.
Vote Mahaloth - Same as yesterday.
I agree that the case against Idle isn’t particularly complicated. But the fact is he seemed pretty scummy, and now that we have an investigation that showed him to be town, that leads to a couple of possible “conspiracies”: Idle being the ringleader with a scum hacker supporting him, Idle and Maha both being scum. I think these are unlikely, but they’re possible, and they both require the involved players to walk a pretty fine line to avoid revealing a pair of scum. While I think that Idle is town, and I’d say that with about 90% confidence, avoiding discussion of these possibilities doesn’t help anyone except scum. It’s not like we have a limited number of posts.
Vote Normal Phase
That’s not a fair characterization, crackrat. I just want discussion that goes somewhere, not endless circling over the same few points. How is that friendly to the town? I’ve had a full slate of votes sitting out there from discussion since word “boo” of this day, and they’ve still attracted practically no notice. Three of the four people I voted for haven’t even shown up to say “Hi, you suck”.
and maybe i am being overly sensitive but it would be kind of nice if someone came up with a case against me other than:
a. he is posting too much
b. he is posting too little
c. he is being too confrontational and disruptive
d. he is not being confrontational and disruptive enough
jeebus, you folks are a tough crowd to satisfy.
I haven’t had much time to look at this game.
In order of descending order.
vote fluid
She took some heat yesterday, and has all but disappeared today. That and I can see no pro-town reasoning behind her promotion choice.
vote NAF
For unreasoned voting. Peeker votes the same as Normal Phase, and you think they are both scum? Why or why not. Then you make a meta case about how peeker isn’t talking as much as usual. If you want to get meta about it, peek was the town vig in the last game and was pretty quiet, so I think your case is fabricated.
vote Hal Briston
Where has he gone to? His votes yesterday still suck. I’m not sure about his lack of issuing an arrest warrant. I can easily read it as a scum player not wanting to be too concrete, since he would actually have to provide justification for whoever he voted for.
vote glowacks
Your post about how Idle’s claim means nothing and that’s one of the reasons you were voting for him yesterday. It boils down to this, a player repeating that they are town is one of the nullest of null tells. I really don’t see how you can make a reasonable connection between him making a claim and protesting his towniness and him being scum.
I’m past the phase of voting for people because their arguments are bad, and considering why their arguments are bad and voting for those with the most scum intention. So sorry if I don’t vote for people making terrible arguments that I don’t see scum intention in. And that begins with NAF’s terrible, terrible, but not totally unreasonable votes.
From my limited reading, I can certainly agree with this. That said, voting for two people because they have perfectly aligned votes today seems odd. Does he think that the scum really need to try to create a bandwagon by having the first two people whose votes are in all be for the same people? I suppose I would take it as an interesting point to consider down the line, but I don’t see anything automatically sinister in it. However, this type of thing doesn’t seem abnormal for him and I see nothing scummy in those votes.
Seriously, I’m done with the Idle discussion until I get too many votes due to it. I’ll spend some time working on a post-by-post analysis of how I saw things in case I need to defend myself, but I can see that Idle isn’t going to budge and initial looks show that his actions are more reasonable than I first interpreted. Not that say that they don’t look as I first interpreted them, but it’s at least vaguely plausible that, as Idle said, the motives were misjudged. So until I need to defend myself, this discussion should be done.
Going down the list of people who’ve said only a little something, I personally find it rather suspicious that TexCat has had nothing much to say except the discussions about me/Idle and some comments about the engineer position. Interest in the engineer position and what the town intends to do with it I think is a slight scum tell this game. The scum have very good reasons to want to know what’ll happen to engineers who survive, and how best to argue the case for such engineers. The only other person I see talking about it is peeker, who has very good reason to to begin with. TexCat in particular saying “nice to see you peeker” is suspicious, as though the thought of scum killing or not killing the engineer was on the mind. The only other person to comment about the engineer was Crackrat, who also seemed somewhat interested in the Idle discussion. I’m not sure it means much of anything, but it’s interesting.
Continuing…Stanislaus makes a lot of interesting points, and then a vote that has nothing to do with those points. He looks at the late votes for Drain Bead, but finds two of them from (nearly) confirmed players and then backs up a few people, but as pointed out, stops there. What’s really different about Crackrat’s vote as opposed to TexCat’s in terms of timing? As votes, there was no other activity between them. He also votes for one person with no reason giving as “same as yesterday” but doesn’t include votes for anyone else from the previous day. Given he just showed that he had voted for Mahaloth, he could have stated that again. Personally, I see this as just a town player without the time to fully develop his argument, but if it keeps up I’ll become more suspicious.
fluid’s reasoning on the totally random promotion and subsequent disappearance is not making me particularly happy. The votes against fluid before didn’t compel me much; even if I didn’t agree with fluid’s premises I at least thought the arguments were logically given the premises. I don’t see anything suggestive of scum though; while the promotion made no sense, given the night kill it doesn’t seem indicative of an overall scum rank stacking plan.
As for Mahaloth, I didn’t feel comfortable with his use of the investigation on Idle, and his justification of “not wanting to lynch him today” seems weak. Any particular reason why it’s Idle you wanted to save for a day, and not Hal, the captain? I am glad that the result came back quickly, but that’s not saying much. Today he’s used argument by assertion to justify the quality of his votes and contributed nothing but slight comments about how he switched his votes around. That he’s raising suspicion and not doing much to actively defend his positions despite posting has me quite worried.
vote Mahaloth 5/10
Other totally absent people are now Hal and fubbleskag. It’s not that I think the silent need to die, but they need to speak and give us some clue what they’re thinking. Hal at least tried to get a few votes in, and I’m not sure exactly how scummy it is to leave votes uncast when you’re very nearly going to be lynched. I’m not real fond of him for not filling them out, but it at least suggests to me that he’s town. Scum that didn’t want to say much but nearly lynched would have made sure to get a counted vote in for a leading contender. Fubbleskag though, looked to put very little effort into his votes and said that he’s watching the thread; makes me highly suspicious that he’s not contributing much.
vote fubbleskag 3/10
Looking for two more votes, I’m getting more disturbed over TexCat giving comments about likely targets for the engineer to watch. This could be a sign of scum trying to influence the thoughts of how the engineer should be handling his position. I’ve refrained from putting in my thoughts about it mainly because I fear talking about it will give the scum information that they could use to avoid the engineer or determine when to kill him instead, while the town wouldn’t stand any material advantage talking about it ahead of time.
vote TexCat 2/10
I’m worried slightly about peeker’s comments on the engineer post. The exchange between peeker and Tex that starts with peeker worrying about dying might be totally disingenuous. peeker seems to imply that Inner Stickler is the only person worth watching, which if sincerely held by the engineer would be a huge chunk of useful information for the scum. I guess it could be WIFOM fuel, in which case don’t tell us! I tend to agree with peeker that the arguments against him seem to be all meta and no substance, and I don’t even see the meta reasons.
Red Skeezix posts something right as I finish my post and I have to add this paragraph in the middle. I see nothing wrong with the reasoning other than actually having one to vote for me. Voting for a newish player because they voted on what they thought was a tell? I seriously do have problems with people continually repeating they’re town. If it’s typical, as it seems, I understand. But I don’t understand that coming to a vote. No suspicion, just as I’ve no suspicion on Idle even though I don’t understand particularly why their reasoning makes me look like scum.
Who’s that leave? Inner Stickler has been quiet, but without any counter-claim it’s hard to justify lynching a claimed mason. Normal Phase has been providing very good commentary and positions from what I see. Not coming close to voting for either.
Coming back around…NAF…no…Crackrat…that vote for Normal Phase definitely doesn’t sit well with me. I don’t like the vote on Hal very much either, as applying an automatic standard of “no votes = bad” is wrong. It’s clearly in the person’s own best interest to be filling out their votes when almost lynched. A Scum would have much more incentive than town to make sure he wasn’t lynched; Hal seemed willing to go. Crackrat’s vote on Hal thus could have been a rush to vote for someone likely to be lynched. Add that to the above issues, and it’s good enough for a vote.
vote Crackrat 2/10
Looking at Stanislaus 1/10
Reflecting on my past votes, Hal is totally clear to me due to late yesterDay’s action, and NAF looks fine enough.
Post count is a pretty poor metric. Some people say more in one post than others do in 5. I could have cut my above post into 10, if not more, but I prefer to put everything relevant to a subject in one post. This incidental comment is not relevant to the rest of what I was talking about, so gets a new post.
been busy off-board and haven’t had a chance to thoroughly review toDay’s updates, except to skim and notice I’m picking up a lot of votes. won’t have a chance to dig back into this until tomorrow, and rather than try to convince you all that my perceived poor voting is genuinely due to lack of experience, I’ll take the easy route so you can focus your 4th votes somewhere more useful:
[QUOTE=Pleonast]
fubbleskag] - Loyal Mate
You are a Loyal crew member. You win when all Mutinous crew members are dead.
You were school Mates with Inner Stickler. You trust them implicitly and know they must be Loyal crew members.
[/QUOTE]
Yes, that is correct.