Well, in light of that:
Unvote fubbleskag
unvote fubbleskag
vote stanislaus; he should post something where he actually comes to a conclusion.
well hump a chicken.
unvote fubs
vote naf
while i agree with glowacks that post count is in fact a poor metric for measuring participation i also believes that naf’s characterization is wrong.
Right, first things first:
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unvote fubbleskag
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Some comments (and a vote!) about the gaps in my earlier post. First of all
This was your clue. I literally had to shut down the computer and run to catch my train that instant. My fault for trying to get involved in a big analytical post when I knew time was tight.
Anyhow, here’s the vote list again, and people’s comments:
On Crackrat: I was looking first at people who appeared to be voting Drain Bead to save Hal. As you can see, Crackrat voted for Drain and Hal - in the same post no less. This has no immediate effect on their relative status. That doesn’t mean it’s a good vote - both votes are following the crowd, and LTL is always weak. For interest, here is the status quo 3 posts (and 0 votes) before Crackrat’s vote:
So the effect of Crackrat’s vote is to put Hal as the definite leader, and push Drain ahead of peeker. So I doubt he’s protecting Hal. He is just throwing away votes, however, as he acknowledged here:
It is bad that, having acknowledged that there was already pressure on the two lurkers, he still dumped his votes on them. But this reads to me more like low activity rather than a Scum ploy.
Also, Normal asked about Red Skeezix - short answer is that his vote for Drain was early on, when it wasn’t clear that everyone would pile votes on the lurker. It doesn’t stand out as being especially egregious, in a long list of egregious votes.
Looking at NAF:
He made the first (and entirely unprompted) claim on Day One, to stir things up. Assuming he is the Town Cracker, I don’t think this was a particularly terrible thing to do: he’s not a priority for Scum in the early game; if his role is public knowledge he stands a better chance of being watched by the Engineer; similarly, he’s less likely to be Brigged. However, we don’t really know if either aspect of his claim is true. In terms of its effect on the game at the time, I would say it was largely beneficial: it did generate some much needed conversation.
He hasn’t done much else since that (I’m in total solidarity on the parenthood thing.) The two significant things are:
a) his weird vote on Normal for voting the same as peeker; and
b) his weird vote on glowacks:
I’ve bolded the contradiction. It’s alright for NAF to claim, because power roles are overrated. But glowacks is off-base to vote for Idle, because we can’t risk losing a power role.
Thoughts NAF?
Technically he didn’t even vote me for voting the same as peeker. He voted me for peeker voting the same as me. My votes were first. It’s complete BS.
You know what guys, I honestly can’t keep up with this game. I thought I would be able to, but I really just can’t. I don’t have the concentration to both pay attention to mafia and take care of a toddler durring the day, and I don’t have the energy to put in the work after my wife gets home in the evenings.
Sorry about this, I really thought I would be able to play properly, but I really just can’t.
Might be better to lynch me today than to wait around until later.
Really very sorry.
This is probably my last mafia game for a very very long time and I don’t like going out like this.
Sorry, NAF.
NAF, that’s a shame. (Not you having a kid, or being the SAH partner. That’s awesome). Don’t worry about “leaving” Mafia on a bum note - we all remember playing many fine games with you.
I hate to ask, NAF, but would it be possible to force a modkill or something (e.g. by editing a post)? If that’s horribly metagame of me, I apologize, but I really hate to lose a town lynch because of real-life reasons.
I totally understand that you don’t have time, and either way, no hard feelings.
On an unrelated note, weekends aren’t great for me and (working in tech support) Mondays aren’t, either. Since obviously I turned out not to be correct about Natlaw and I don’t have any other strong leads, I’m planning to re-read the thread today with our new info in mind. I’m hoping for some substantive posts today if I can go a few minutes without the dang phone ringing. 
I hope to welcome you back before tooooo long, NAF. You will be missed.
With 3 likely townies now, do we want to think about sending one to the brig to protect them toNight? That is, if Capt Hal ever reappears. I don’t think we’d want to send Dr. Idle, but we might think about one of the masons.
Whoops, missed fubbles’ claim.
unvote fubbleskag
Back to a placeholder until I’m having a better day.
vote: Normal Phase
Kind of glad to hear it, though. On first impression it simplifies things immensely.
There are several reasonable options, all of which should be discussed among our Captain and XO, neither of whom is present. The following jumped into my head as the first possibility, but there are others.
Promoting IS a slot and brigging Idle for self-protection/paranoia would actually put Inner Stickler into the doctor slot immediately upon completion of both of these orders. And he would get the results, even if one of the other officers wound up lynched (as could well be the case). However, if they did, he would wind up as engineer for the night, pretty much ensuring both his death and a lack of engineer results. It may nevertheless be worth it for one dead-on-reliable (barring godfather of course) doctor result. IT IS ABSOLUTELY THE ONLY REASONABLE MOVE IF NAF OR ANY OTHER NON-OFFICER IS LYNCHED.
Day Two Vote Count
All Votes by Voting Player
Hal Briston => no votes.
fluiddruid => no votes.
TexCat => Hal Briston (428).
peekercpa => [del]fubbleskag (458-483)[/del], Hal Briston (458), Mahaloth (458), fluiddruid (458), NAF1138 (483).
Idle Thoughts => glowacks (459).
Mahaloth => no votes.
Inner Stickler => no votes.
Red Skeezix => fluiddruid (476), NAF1138 (476), Hal Briston (476), glowacks (476).
glowacks => Mahaloth (477), [del]fubbleskag (477-482)[/del], TexCat (477), Crackrat (477), Stanislaus (482).
Normal Phase => [del]fubbleskag (426-494)[/del], fluiddruid (426), Mahaloth (426), [del]Hal Briston (426-466)[/del], NAF1138 (466), Normal Phase (494).
fubbleskag => no votes.
Crackrat => [del]fubbleskag (473-481)[/del], Hal Briston (473), Mahaloth (473), Normal Phase (473).
Stanislaus => [del]fubbleskag (456-484)[/del].
NAF1138 => peekercpa (464), Normal Phase (464).
Net Votes
fluiddruid (3) <= peekercpa, Red Skeezix, Normal Phase.
NAF1138 (3) <= peekercpa, Red Skeezix, Normal Phase.
Mahaloth (3) <= peekercpa, glowacks, Normal Phase.
Hal Briston (2) <= peekercpa, Red Skeezix.
glowacks (1) <= Red Skeezix.
Crackrat (1) <= glowacks.
TexCat (1) <= glowacks.
Stanislaus (1) <= glowacks.
Normal Phase (1) <= Normal Phase.
With 14 players eligible to vote, 7 votes are needed to space. With these votes, no one will be spaced.
The Day ends in about 24 hours.
Stanislaus, I knew it was because you were short on time; I apologize if my message late last night seemed curt but it was merely a short summation of my previous position leading to my vote. Your analysis is kinda strange, and it still doesn’t really give any solid leads. It sounds like your analysis is “this is bad, but not bad enough”, which in some ways echoes the view that votes cast for people because you think they’re playing bad are not as good as votes cast for people that you think are acting scummy, but you’re still not making any cases for voting on people or placing any votes. If that’s because you don’t have time, so be it. My vote mainly was prodding for more analysis, but i was looking more for good reasons to vote for people, not reasons not to.
fluiddruid stops in just long enough to ask about mod-killing someone who has said they’re no longer going to be putting in any effort, but doesn’t say anything else. Hasn’t said anything else for quite a while despite garnering a few votes, yet manages to post a comment about NAF’s activity. While I can appreciate if this game is getting slowed down by people having too many other commitments to properly attend to the game, it seems very shady. I’m not going to vote because I trust that people aren’t lying about their life outside of the game, but I’m certainly more concerned.
The rules of the game say no replacements and players are encouraged to do whatever is necessary to get participation; that certainly sounds like voting to encourage discussion, but as with my late move off Drain Bead I’m very hesitant to lynch people solely for a complete lack of participation. It would be a waste of an opportunity to lynch NAF as I highly doubt that a scum player would ask to be lynched in the way he did. Right now his presence doesn’t affect the number of votes we need to lynch, so there’s no real difference in whether he exists or not. If we don’t end up brigging a (semi-)confirmed town, we might as well put NAF in there in case we end up with an extra night kill. Of course, that depends on getting those in power paying attention. The problem with brigging a confirmed Mason is that they can be fully trusted to be hunting after scum and thus their vote should in theory carry slightly more weight; it probably wouldn’t be a great idea to be in a situation where the person that ends up lynched changes based on the views/votes of person in the brig not counting.
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and with so few votes on the table getting rid of one seems counterintuitive. but it would be nice to have one of them in the brig and safe. i’d suggest fubs just because of the current ranks. the engineer then just has to play blink on who gets watched out of two folks as opposed to three (or more depending on how they decide to play it). or maybe they take me out since the lame ass case against me seems to be losing a little traction.
I think brigging Naf makes the most sense. It would disable him as scum and not waste a lynch if he’s town.
I would suggest brigging a probable townie toDay to protect him overnight, and brigging NAF toMorrow first thing in the morning. Of course, all of this depends on our Captain issuing orders.