Also, fluiddruid, would you consider demoting Captain Hal for dereliction of duty?
what tex said. i’d rather it be a mason but one of the four makes about as good a sense as any preferably one with no vote. matter of fact fluid, since you at least popped in once toDay i wouldn’t even hold it against you if you demoted hal, promoted yourself and then immediately brigged one of them.
of course, if you and or any of the other part of that gang is scum town is fucking themselves. but at this point i don’t see any real attractive options.
wouldn’t that be an anti game gambit. manipulate promotions and briggings by not participating as scum. additionally, based on the durn vote threshhold and current participation level town durn near has to be unanimous in their lynch target. jeebus creebus.
Currently we have two confirmed Mates, one Doc-confirmed Town-or-Ring-Leader, one resigning claimed Town Cracker.
The priority has to be to protect the Mates. At best we can put one in toNight, and expect the Engineer to watch the second. That leaves Idle and NAF outside - I think permanently because the Captain will have to daily cancel the arrest warrant for last Night’s Mate (so he can vote, and to keep Town numbers up), followed by an arrest warrant for the next Night. There doesn’t seem to be room for a new warrant there.
Votes:
vote Mahaloth
For the reasoning given here plus his relatively early decision to investigate Idle, which made it harder for people to vote for him.
**vote TexCat, **
partly for the lack of engagement that worried me yesterDay, but mostly for this post:
This refers to Idle’s summation of the case against him. I don’t like this because it’s unneccessarily defensive: Idle didn’t call out TexCat particularly, and had in fact noted that some votes came before his claim. But TexCat still feels the need to step in and explain that Idle can’t possibly be referring to him. This smacks of the defensiveness that you often see from Scum - a concern that anyone might be thinking ill of them in any way. If this was one of a bunch of posts I wouldn’t be suspicious, but as TexCat has been fairly quiet I’m suspicious that clearing his name of a non-existant accusation was a high priority post to make.
vote fluiddruid
I don’t care if she did acknowledge that she was lynching a lurker (over, essentially, another lurker). It was still a very anti-town thing to do.
Vote Crackrat
Here, he puts a vote on fubbleskag for yesterDay’s behaviour. Yesterday, however, he voted for Drain Bead and Hal having acknowledged that they were bad votes. In voting fubbleskag toDay, he was fourth vote - following a trend.
Stanislaus –
What’s the motivation you’re seeing here?
glowacks –
Not going to vote for whom? Looks like NAF, but I’m not entirely sure.
I’ve thought about the situation some more, and in the absence of any sign of coordination or giving-a-fuck AT ALL from our two top officers, I actually suggest the following, should they show up:
**Hal Briston: Arrest Inner Stickler **
(TexCat confirm.)
fluiddruid: Do whatever the heck you want, or nothing.
(Overnight: Engineer do the right thing.)
The reason I’m suggesting to do it this way is because if fubbleskag is locked up instead of Inner Stickler, then there is a chance that a combination of officer orders and the lynch could wind up with Inner Stickler as the engineer overnight. (Without even the benefit of him being able to control the doctor order and/or reveal as I first thought to go for – but it seems obvious we can’t rely on our officers to handle that properly anyway.) That would obviously be bad. Fubbleskag is far enough down the ranks that that will not be an issue.
And yeah – by-the-odds-town-Idle and gone-NAF get left out in the cold.
Is there any point in a WOW on fluid? I’d really like to see her lynched today, and there are a number of points I could bring up in support of that – does anyone care enough what I think that it’s worth the effort?
:bleached:
Early decision? I had people prodding me to put my investigation in because I was waiting until the end of the Day. How did anything I did make it harder for people to vote for me or Idle? What reasoning did you not like?
This reeks of a “backtrack” kind of vote, where someone went back, made up a case on a predetermined person(pulled together cheap evidence) and placed the vote.
Vote Stanislaus
It did make it harder to vote for Idle, I don’t really think you can dispute that. By ordering his examination, it meant that a vote for Idle would be a vote for less information. (Idle’s death reveal only, versus someone else’s death reveal plus your report of Idle’s alignment.) Nobody was going to do that.
What I don’t get in stanislaus’ post is what he thinks your scummy motivation was. At the moment all I can think of is a potential link between you and Idle, but if that’s it, why didn’t he just say so?
Because he doesn’t have a real case.
Vote Hal - Lame votes and his vanishing act. I voted to lynch him yesterDay, too.
Vote glowacks - willing to vote without motivation consideration(another yesterDay vote).
Can you point to what you’re talking about as regards glowacks?
If that’s your theory, how do you explain these posts that I made at the time?
How clever of me to know that I was going to go back and make up a case against you, and prepare for it by posting the reasons I would be using a Day earlier.
As to the Scum motivation: any move which reduces Town’s freedom to lynch who it wants is Anti-Town. Yes, it’s still possible that Maha was directly trying to protect a Scummy Idle Thoughts; it’s also possible that he wanted to encourage last minute unvotes and revotes in order to muddy the voting record. What I find harder to believe is that he thought arbitrarily deciding that Town should be discouraged from lynching a leading candidate was a pro-Town move.
Also, I linked to my still extant earlier reasons for voting for you, whcih included your vote against glowacks because you hadn’t outlined the Scum motivation in his behaviour. I note that you still haven’t.
Yes.
OK. Is there any more to it than that, now that it’s a day plus later?
@ Stanislaus
How about “he thought that investigating the runner up was a reasonable choice and didn’t think through all the implications for people’s vote freedom”? I don’t really like the way you’ve framed this, here. And this is coming from someone who’s already voting Maha. In particular, your contention that he might have been trying to cause end of day confusion is a huge stretch in terms of scum motive.
I would like to see fluiddruid lynched as well. She is not talking nearly enough for an officer, especially given that she is using her power in strange ways.
Vote fluiddruid
Vote Hal
He’s not here, he’s the captain and he’s not making much sense when he does post.
Glowacks is making reasoned votes with justifications though, so regardless of what he said yesterday, he’s not doing it today. I don’t really like the idea of lynching people because in one post they said they would do an anti-town thing but then they don’t do it.
Vote Mahaloth
I wish Red would come post more.
VoteRed Skeezix
Day Two Vote Count
All Votes by Voting Player
Hal Briston => no votes.
fluiddruid => no votes.
TexCat => Hal Briston (428).
peekercpa => [del]fubbleskag (458-483)[/del], Hal Briston (458), Mahaloth (458), fluiddruid (458), NAF1138 (483).
Idle Thoughts => glowacks (459).
Mahaloth => Stanislaus (507), Hal Briston (510), glowacks (510).
Inner Stickler => fluiddruid (515), Hal Briston (515), Mahaloth (515), Red Skeezix (515).
Red Skeezix => fluiddruid (476), NAF1138 (476), Hal Briston (476), glowacks (476).
glowacks => Mahaloth (477), [del]fubbleskag (477-482)[/del], TexCat (477), Crackrat (477), Stanislaus (482).
Normal Phase => [del]fubbleskag (426-494)[/del], fluiddruid (426), Mahaloth (426), [del]Hal Briston (426-466)[/del], NAF1138 (466), Normal Phase (494).
fubbleskag => no votes.
Crackrat => [del]fubbleskag (473-481)[/del], Hal Briston (473), Mahaloth (473), Normal Phase (473).
Stanislaus => [del]fubbleskag (456-484)[/del], Mahaloth (503), TexCat (503), fluiddruid (503), Crackrat (503).
NAF1138 => peekercpa (464), Normal Phase (464).
Net Votes
fluiddruid (5) <= peekercpa, Inner Stickler, Red Skeezix, Normal Phase, Stanislaus.
Mahaloth (5) <= peekercpa, Inner Stickler, glowacks, Normal Phase, Stanislaus.
Hal Briston (3) <= peekercpa, Inner Stickler, Red Skeezix.
NAF1138 (3) <= peekercpa, Red Skeezix, Normal Phase.
Crackrat (2) <= glowacks, Stanislaus.
TexCat (2) <= glowacks, Stanislaus.
Red Skeezix (1) <= Inner Stickler.
glowacks (1) <= Red Skeezix.
Stanislaus (1) <= glowacks.
Normal Phase (1) <= Normal Phase.
With 14 players eligible to vote, 7 votes are needed to space. With these votes, no one will be spaced.
A little over 4 hours until the end of the Day.
You know what, you’re right. It is a stretch. Confirmation bias in action - I already thought he was scummy, so jumped on an anti-town move as further proof of scumminess.
However, I’m not going to unvote, because my other reasons, plus Inner Stickler’s excellent point about glowacks actual behaviour, still make him a good bet for scum.
Also - 4 hours left and we don’t have a lynch candidate! We don’t have any arrest orders, or at least a statement that they’re being deliberately left unissued. This is not good.
Vote Fluiddruid - While I don’t think we should be instructing the officers in how to do their jobs, I think that discussion and justification of it is important and there hasn’t been enough.
Unfortunately, Fluid can’t do anything about Hal Briston:
Bolding mine.
Also, @ Mahaloth, glowacks explained that in this post.
I do hope Idle won’t forget to give his examination order, at least.
and maybe this has already been addressed. the rules state that folks in the brig may not vote. but what happens if they have already voted. does that mean that their vote doesn’t count?
i assume that this is true but have sent a pm just to make sure.