Well, bugger and a half. Things are looking bad for town overall.
And a few minutes ago I had mixed feelings about that feeling like all it was going to do was put a target on my back. But given the result of my brain fart, it’s probably just as well. sigh
Ugh. If we have any remaining hackers, I would encourage them to think about doing something with our senior most officers tonight.
Is that so.
You’re right. I forgot about that. :smack:
Well, you had ME, but it’s your own damn faults you made me feel like using my power Night one due to figuring I wouldn’t be lasting very long (what with almost being lynched DAY one).
Floyd do this. Floyd pick up that. Floyd open the landing hatch with a number 12 asteroid paint chipper. Here Floyd is, brain the size of a peanut, and all Floyd does is ship maintenance.
All right, I’m just thinking out loud, nobody’s obliged to listen to me. I need to work out my agitation somehow.
We have four semi-confirmed town at the moment; that’s not horrible. (And is one reason I’m giving the side-eye to fluiddruid’s little comment just above.) IS and fubbleskag can only be mafia if the other is. Idle can only be mafia if he’s a ringleader and a scum hacker promoted him. I can only be mafia if I’m a ringleader (or Idle also is).
Peeker’s choice should prove interesting.
When I get lynched tomorrow and turn up Town, I think you’ll understand what I meant. 
Hey, I’m realistic.
If we have a Commissar, they could consider taking out Hal. I count that we have a half-lynch to spare, potential end-game brig complications aside:
13 players, 4 scum (9-4), no vig kills, worst case:
7-4 after tomorrow
6-4 in the morning, LYLO.
versus
Worst-case with one vig kill tonight:
6-4 after tomorrow
5-4 in the morning, LYLO.
The problem, I suppose, is NAF. Much as I’d like to think he wouldn’t manipulate the game by leaving it as scum and forcing us to lynch a non-participant or lose, I’m not sure I can rule it out, especially given the real life issues he had. (Playing scum with distractions is infinitely harder than playing town with distractions.) Gah. If he’s town, that 5-4 LYLO situation could come back to bite hard.
I don’t know. This is frustrating.
Maybe we should just lynch peeker if he doesn’t cough us up a scum tomorrow (or wake up dead himself). Come on, the odds aren’t that long.
Uh, I did claim, folks.
Best I could do.
Good luck!
Naf needs to be brigged! It’s the best way to deal with him, we don’t lose a lynch and if he is scum he would need the scum cracker to break him out again so that they could use him. Brig naf, brig naf!
We need Hal to be present to brig anyone. 
Which is part of my comment on officer roles. We NEED the officers to be present. If someone is farting around and not showing up every day to talk and discuss, they should not be an officer. Any town player who leaves the rest of us wondering if they’re going to put in a examination request or arrest order is hampering town’s ability to make headway on the scum. No one should be lying back and not participating but of the players, the ones we can suffer it least from are the officers.
And indeed part of my reasoning in even considering the (hypothetical) Commissar tonight, given the potential drawbacks if Hal is town. The brig is kinda an important part of the game, and Hal by his absence is essentially stomping on it and saying “nyah”.
That said, the brig (like a vig or a lynch) only really helps if NAF is in fact scum. If he’s town, then there could even be situations (I think, haven’t worked it through entirely) where town, due to the powers and ranks in play at the time, might be able to win if only he was NOT brigged (whether he’s voting or not).
Of the options available for dealing with Naf, it makes the most sense. We simply don’t have the mislynches to burn on him right now.
In addition to the four of us, I have a town feeling about TexCat, I think. Post 563 looks quite genuine to me.
Agreed, but isn’t finding scum the priority at this point? We obviously can’t brig Hal and unless there is a night kill, we’ll have to burn a lynch. I’m not convinced that Hal and/or NAF couldn’t be scum, but the problem is that even if they turn out to be that it doesn’t tell us a whole heck of a lot about anyone else.
Presuming no night kill, you lynch Hal. Great, now I’m captain - except that most of you think I’m scum. If that’s true, what’s been gained? You then have to kill me, too before you can brig anyone usefully.
At best, to brig someone, we’ve wasted a day lynching Hal. At worst, we’ve lost 2+ if I’m scum as well. This seems like an awful lot of investment to get access to the brig (hypothetically!). Lynching is our best tool at this point.
I agree, it’s a sucky situation. If we have a night kill then I’d agree that Hal would be a good target. If we don’t then I think we have bigger fish to fry. We need a scum lynch, and soon.
In full honesty, apologies if it’s just my confirmation bias getting to me, but I see problems all over this post.
First, Hal and NAF are not equivalent. NAF doesn’t have much of a lynch record attached to him relatively speaking (mostly only his own votes, few of which if any were determinative. Not many people voted for him). But Hal was very nearly lynched twice. If he is scum, then the voting record we would get out of it is pretty much the best we could possibly expect for.
Second, this is not the first time you’ve attempted to protect Hal. You did it in voting for Drain Bead; you did it here; you arguably did it in refusing to promote yourself (I’m not imagining that part, am I?). If you had wound up Captain over Hal, you might have been expected to order him into the brig. By remaining XO, you can’t do that.
I’m frankly unsure whether this means what it seems to mean or not (that you are both mafia). It’s pretty freaking blatant if so. Even if you’re scum, you could just be trying to preserve a viable mislynch and mess with the town’s capabilities for as long as humanly possible. The fact that you’re willing to consider a night kill might lend a little support to this idea, not entirely enough for confidence, though.
But this whole thing makes no sense whatsoever if you are town.
"Great, now I’m captain - except that most of you think I’m scum. If that’s true, what’s been gained? You then have to kill me, too before you can brig anyone usefully. "
This part is complete nonsense. If you are Captain, then you can be requested to place an order on a consensus candidate of the living probable-town. Even a scum you would presumably do so, in order to preserve any chance of not being lynched. The only thing that ENTIRELY disables the brig is a Captain who just plain refuses to cooperate, which is what we have now. If you were Captain at this point, you would follow orders or die (or just possibly follow orders and die); it’s as simple as that.
"At best, to brig someone, we’ve wasted a day lynching Hal. At worst, we’ve lost 2+ if I’m scum as well. "
If you are both scum, the loss is well worth it and then some. Your perspective here is badly, badly skewed. I can’t see any way you are town. I just wish I could be more certain about Hal.
Hal and NAF are both essentially lurkers. I wasn’t attempting to compare their vote record or anything else. Hal is an officer, which makes him a greater priority, but that’s all I considered in my response.
If you want to lynch Hal, go for it - I don’t know if he’s scum or not, there’s not enough to know. It’ll buy me another day of life one way or the other, so great. I’m just arguing that it doesn’t really benefit town very much if he’s Town (since it’s obviously a ‘gimme’ vote for everyone) and doesn’t really help pinpoint other scum if he’s scum.
I’m not attempting to protect Hal. All things being equal, I think he should die. My concern though is if you lynch me and Hal, and we both turn out town (which I believe is quite likely) then town basically loses, right? How many town lynches in a row can we do?
Sorry, but that’s bull.
Let’s take as a hypothetical that we lynch Hal tomorrow. Great, he’s dead, I’m Captain, now you want me to brig someone AND lynch me (probable!). If I’m scum, in that situation, do you think social pressure would make me do it? What possible benefit would that have to me at that point?
I’m not talking about some hypothetical scum Captain. I’m talking about me, personally, being Captain given that everyone thinks I’m scum. My life expectancy is probably at, what, 1-2 days at this point, at best? Unless someone investigates me (which is probably a wasted effort, given that I’m pretty sure people would just assume I was Ringleader anyway), pretty much all of the active players reading this thread are interpreting everything that I say in a scum light. Until I die, I am not going to be credible. Having me as Captain gains you little to nothing if you are right about my alignment.
Do you have a case that Hal is scum? My consideration was that we were removing him simply to free an officer spot, and that there’s no evidence of this.
My perspective isn’t skewed. You’re considering the source more than the argument, and leaping to find any possible reason to object.