You guys have your own whole board to dicsuss your scummy tactics? What else can you tell us? The names of the other people on that board, perhaps?
I’m not sure yet if I’ll support lynching you straight away, you’re proving to be more valuable alive than dead.
And yes, I was implying that you concocted the “accuse straggler of supporting a vote-blind strategy” strategy in private talks with other scum, then forgot who was the first person to use the term “vote blind” here on the public board.
Ya know, I have seen this technique tried on FB and on the Giraffe boards, and now here. Does anybody really think this is a valid way to play. To just blatantly smudge someone? You don’t further your case against the person, you don’t make a logical argument against them that people can follow, you just smudge them. If anything it will make you look worse in the end for seemingly trying hard to paint someone as scum.
??? I’m guessing you have never played, read, or even heard of any of the games at idlemafia.com. If you had, you would know that every game there has a seperate board for the scum.
Yeah well, you and special ed had better find some friends besides each other pretty soon, coz this townie mobster is getting hungry for blood.
I wasn’t going to vote for Straggler based on his ridiculous strategy idea, but I think I am gonna change my mind.
His strategy us more beneficial to scum than town. It limits the ways that town can play. Anything that limits town’s ability to be creative in catching scum is bad. We are much better off attempting to catch scum through discussion over accusations and defenses than through who votes for who. Following his strategy does not eliminate that, but it does limit it.
Aside from his strategy being bad, he has attempted to smudge Ed twice now simply for disagreeing with him. And his hyper defensive response to peoples reaction to his strategy seems odd when he could have just ditched the idea and shrugged it off as different play styles. Personally I find this behavior more suspicious than that of MentalGuy whom I would have otherwise considered voting.
VOTE STRAGGLER
[delurking observor]
I wub you too, peeker.
And while I won’t hijack this thread much more, I disagree with paul that molefan was the reason town lost. Molefan wasn’t an issue with two other scum before him exposed. The issue was we were 1/2 mislynch from lylo as of Day 5 due to all the extra kills that came out hitting town, and the two times the SK targeted scum, with his 50% fail chance, he failed on both. We lacked the datapoints, we lacked the numbers, we had a 3rd party who was a survivor type with a power and actually helped scum on occasion so they wouldn’t kill him, we got hurt by borda count which in the endgame almost guarantees that town will be voting for town in order to have a valid vote. Molefan even said it in the endgame thread, the game was over by Day 5. The last two Days were window dressing and prolonging of the inevitable. Molefan wasn’t an issue because we didn’t even get all the exposed scum killed off.
And I think saying I almost cost you scum the win singlehandedly gives me way too much credit. While my scumdar was pretty on that game (I had you pegged before pollux confirmed it, I figured out punker before molefan bussed him, and Kat was suspicious for a while and obviously scum on the last Day), it also caused me to lead a charge against a townie who made a mistake that could easily have had scum motivation behind it if done by a scum, and caused us one of our mislynches. (Though 2 mislynches leading to a town loss is very rare–I don’t count shaggy as a town mislynch since that was SCUM driven and would have had the same effect as “yet another scum bonus kill” would have.) We had a handful of strong players on the Town side in the endgame, the main problem was we were outnumbered and parzival, the remaining 3rd party player, was playing his game exactly the way he should. And the scum had powerful abilities compared to town at that point. We were dug into a hole too early to be able to climb out of it. But this is not to lessen the great game you scum played. You won without town shooting itself in the foot, which is actually more impressive than when you and I played scum in Doperville. In Doperville we capitalized on town’s errors, in this one, you guys just came out swinging and never stopped.
But I think I’ve hijacked this game enough now, and I’ll go back to observing. I just figured that there was enough discussion about a just finished game that I’d throw my 2 cents in, and to clear up that molefan wasn’t really an issue, other than he played a great game. His actual status never got a chance to be an issue since the game was done by then. And for any newbies in this one, you probably do want to check that one out, because it’s one of the few games where Town didn’t lose by making a lot of mistakes, and instead lost due to great play by scum and the uncontrollables going against us.
[/relurking observor]
2 - Almost Human ([Undecided] Adrian, MentalGuy)
3 - MentalGuy (ok11, pedescribe, Almost Human)
2 - Oredigger77 (Pleonast, Seeker of Truth and Beauty)
1 - Pleonast (Oredigger77)
1 - Seeker of Truth and Beauty (Hero From Sector 7G)
1 - rexnervous (Sitnam)
2 - straggler (BillMC, paulwhoisaghost)
I see an edited post by Hoopy. Is that allowed?
Vote Hoopy
I don’t think editing is fair in any way.
Hoopy Frood is a Nosy Interloper.
I’m not sure if I could handle the pressure of being mayor (scum target number 1), would be interesting though; say we vote a someone mayor and he survive the first night, does that make him scum?
But someone in the beginning stated that the “ties are bad” rule was a significant handicap for the town, and I am not even sure if sachertorte would allow us from making our own roles
Ruling please?
and I coming close to my first vote…should have one before the day is done(euhm… real day, not simpletown day)
Holy crap I go away for the weekend and the thread explodes all over itself.
I’m going to have to read through all of that again before I make any decisions but I do think its funny that I still have two votes on me and am in a tie for second. I’ll be back in a sec with real information in my post.
My thoughts exactly.
I’ll catch up over the day. Since my vote was primarily a discussion-starter, I’ll withdraw it for now.
unvote Oredigger77
I don’t know what happened to you peekercpa, in the original Simpletown you flooded the game with fluff but it wasn’t this third person Hello Kitty shit. This may in fact be the way you play, but it’s annoying as hell and if I don’t see a scum tell from someone else till thursday this will stay:
unvote rexnervous
vote peekercpa
That’s the way I play.
Bzzzzt… bzzzzt… bzzzt.
Attention. This is the emergency broadcast system. This is not a test.
We’re in Day One of a pretty cool (if I say so myself) game over on the Giraffeboard, and could use a sub for a player ambushed by RL.
Are you dead early? Are you about to die? Didn’t get your Mafia fix taken care of? Hie thee to the big GB!
This concludes this emergency broadcast. We now return you to your regularly scheduled game.
Oh, and Vote Hoopy, for editing.
Sorry Sach. I’ll go away now.
I think the most interesting slip thus far is Ed jumping in to defend a question directed at Paul. This is the second time that players have obviously worked together in this thread. Both incidences are suspicious but at least the first time was a couple of noobs and they also admitted they were working together, how weird was that? I think player putting words in other people’s mouths is always suspicious because it implies that they can communicate outside of the game to all get on the same page.
Besides these teams I still think that Pleo not being able to count our mislynches is off but it doesn’t directly hurt the town just lead to a possible sense of complacency. I think this has been safely avoided so I’m going to;
Unvote Pleonast
I don’t have someone to replace this vote with but I think my top four candidates are the two teams.
I didn’t say we were working together, I said we were closely aligned regarding our arguments in that sub-discussion.
MentalGuy said we were working together in the sense that he thinks we are both townies, it seems like he trusts me now that I have defended him.
Pity that that was coupled with a loss of trust by many others, even if some have agreed with my basic argument.
Side note:
So apparently the SDMB Mafia Kudzu has now spread to a fourth location (Giraffe Boards). I was not aware of this development when I started this game. By my count we now have four locations of varying activity: SDMB, idle’s board, facebook, and giraffe.
Personally, I’ve participated here on the SDMB and on idle’s board. I don’t do facebook, and I only recently became aware of the giraffe location. If I had known, I probably would not have started this game until “The Split” ended. (Though this does explain the low response to game sign-up).
Anyway, I note my revelation here so that whoever is looking to start a new game here on the SDMB, might look at the multiple off-shoot sites to gauge when a good time to start a new one is.
Sach, you seem like a sensible, logical chap. Friendly word of advice…DON’T JOIN FACEBOOK! It’ll turn you into a snarling, axe weilding psychopath - seriously.
Really? You don’t find anything else scummy toDay so you’re voting for someone because you don’t like the way he posts?
We’ve got the “I know sach didn’t actually say scum could talk during the Day but I think that’s what he meant so it must be true” debate
The “Let’s not vote till there’s only 24 hours left in the game - that’ll bugger scum up” theory and subsequent responses.
Even the “Curious case of the extra mislynches calculation” is surely more worthy than the reasoning you’ve given for a vote.
Pleonast’s Day One Comment Omnibus
The first version of the rules forbade Scum from Day-talking. The second one does not. Conclusion: we can no longer be certain Scum are not allowed to secretly talk during the Day. This says nothing about other types of secret communication.
Really? I waited until I had something more to say than “I’m here”. I don’t think it’s bad logic, although I agree it’s not very convinving evidence. But there’s a real problem with your vote–it was my logic, not Seeker’s. Why did you vote them and not me?
Bad advice. For some roles, claiming early is better than later. A Miller-type role (Town who investigates as Scum) should claim well before lynch-or-lose–probably best to claim on Day One. An investigator who has about 3 useful investigations (that is, the alignment of 3 living, unclaimed players) should reveal as soon as they reach that point. I’m sure there’s more examples. Basically, each player needs to consider how important their information is versus the value of their life and the risk that they’ll be killed before they can reveal. Unthinking adherence to secrecy is not helpful for us.
I consider it very unsportsman-like to use priviledged information from one game in another game. Just do not do it. And it shouldn’t matter if some players go by different handles; we shouldn’t be carrying information from one game to the next.
Your plan is bad; believe us when we say so. Take the quoted idea above. There is no simple way to find “genuine discrepancies and inconsistencies” that separate Scum from Town. This is especially true at the beginning of the game when Scum have all the information and we have none. And “voting blocs” are impossible to form, except for Scum and Masons. If we knew who we could trust well enough to vote with, we’d already know who the Scum are. And, don’t expect Scum to vote as a bloc–they’ll vote as individuals, because that’s how we should.
I disagree. I can’t speak for others, but I don’t lie. Sure, if I was Scum, I’d lie about that, but about anything else, there’s no advantage to lying, even as Scum. The way to win as Scum is to play like a Townie. Any deviation from that opens you up to discovery. And the rest of us should take that into account–if you play deceptively, expect to get lynched, even if you are on our side.
And asking for advice is an excellent way to generate discussion. The more discussion there is, the more likely a Scum slips up.
And I think I spotted the first player skimming. The rule change/clarification allows that Scum can Day-talk, whereas the old versions does not. Newbies calling Scum wolves is not unexpected.
I would so love it if Scum coordinated their votes! That’s how I catch them best. But Scum know this and will try to not coordinate their votes (or kill me Night One, that works too :smack: ). Your plan makes it easy for Scum to vote like Town–simply vote for whatever player you have some reason. Don’t think that Scum need to vote together (or even for Townies) to win.
And you should know that the rules were changed to allow the possibility that Scum can talk during the Day. I would consider it very likely that Scum can talk. Why would the moderator change the rules to permit the possibility of Scum talking but then not actually permit Scum to Day-talk? Either you’re suggesting we have a Gastard Mod, or you have more information about Scum then the rest of us.
Interesting comment coming from someone who’s been laying low. I expect to see more participation from you.
I agree with you about peeker, but unfortunately he always plays this way. I Vig’d him several games ago for it, but I’m not a Vig this time and I don’t feel he’s crossed the anti-Town threshold yet this game. If he starts justifying votes in puzzles, then I’ll vote for him. If he’s simply spouting effluvia, it’s better to let our Vig take care of it (and any other anti-Town behavior that doesn’t rise to the lynchable offense threshold).
Don’t be foolish. Trusting someone who happens to agree with your reasoning/ideas is setting yourself up to trust Scum. Scum can play pro-Town (and should) and Town can play anti-Town (and should be punished for it).
What in Valhalla? Are you a newbie or a stupidly bold Scum? Only Scum and Masons have any reason to trust others and they should not be explicit about it. Well, unless you’re Scum and you’re trying 1) gain the trust of Mental and 2) setting yourself up so that when you’re outed, we take out them too.
If you think someone is Scum, vote for them. If you have a reason to vote for them, tell us. The way you’re accusing someone of being Scum does not help us.