Hmm…
On the one hand, I don’t trust Ichini.
On the other, BillMC looks a lot more like a serial killer than a vigilante…and Assassins were the scum group last time…and he could easily switch sides, if he hasn’t already…
No, I don’t trust either of them, and they both need to die sooner or later. But BillMC can kill, and Ichini can’t, and that makes all the difference.
Unvote Ichini Sanshigo
Vote BillMC
Yes I can kill, and have had to kill each night. 2 werewolves, and unfortunately 1 mason, but 2-1 isn’t a bad score. I could have claimed a false role and you would be none the wiser, but I chose to come out and put my kill at the disposal of the town.
And the reason I did this is that there is another killer hiding amongst you, as I did not kill Nanook or Oredigger.
[ul][li]Hero appears to be some sort of watcher - tho as I cannot be tracked or watched, so he didn’t see me kill Pleo.[/li][li]ok11 also appears to be some sort of watcher - he visited me and I appeared to be at home - but I still snuck out and killed Adrian.[/ul][/li]So two watcherish roles that have had no effect on me, but they would have detected another killer. Which brings me to Ed - his trap would have caught me, and a damn good trap at that. So Ed would appear to be my nemesis, kinda ironic given the lynches in other games (sorry Ed!)
[ul][li]peeker got a look at me - but for some reason, maybe timing, he found I was town. As last claimer, I could have just remained hidden, concocted a simple role and been confirmed by our detective as being pro-town.[/li][li]Almost claimed Doc - certainly plausibe, there was only 1 kill on night 1, and we haven’t turned up a dead doc, and no one has counter claimed.[/li][li]Sitnam and Mental Guy have confirmed each others as Mason - and stated the Mason’s have no powers - so who saved Mental Guy from the Lynch?[/li][li]As for Ichini, the cabal will gain a secret power when all killing factions are eliminated. As per Peeker’s investigation, Ichiniis not-town - and for town to win, Ichini must die. If you believe there is no other killer but me, then lynching me will give Ichini her unknown power - you may be exchaning me for something much worse - something that would give the cabal the edge.[/li][/ul]
Which brings me last, if not least to Pedescribe.
underlining mine - no one appears to have claimed 3rd party - yet you say also . Who do you think is 3rd party or a slip on your part?
You win with any side, town or scum.
underlining mine. You state there are too many variables to trust Ichini, but yet you suggest that Ichini’s group are responsible for BOTH night kills?
And since we knew nothing about the cabal or werewolves prior to Ichini’s claim - why would she want to jump from wolves to cabal?
Yet now you put some trust in that Ichini is telling the truth about not being able to kill, and being cabal - and the only thing that has changed in the interim is that I claimed.
I win based on my last kill - so currently I am town - so I do not need to die for town to win. if I screw another kill up, then its pretty obvious I fraked it up, and you can all lynch me for it.
Yet you vote for me over someone the detective confirmed as non-town.
I think you are the other killer pede - and even if I am wrong, you are a powerless survivor - no loss to the town if this is a mislynch.
vote pede
And I repeat my statement that I will use my kill on whoever the majority of the town select.
Since we’ve got two confirmed town masons, it might be best to just follow their lead. I don’t think either of them voted yet, but when they do, I’m willing to switch my vote to that player. That’s assuming that the masons will vote for the same person (which they really should).
In the meantime, here are a few ideas. If BillMC is telling the truth about his role, it might be best not to lynch Ichini, and have BillMC NK her instead. That way, he’ll be town-aligned Tomorrow. The problem is that this approach is risky, because we can’t really trust either of them. I don’t trust Ichini for obvious reasons. I’m more inclined to trust BillMC, but his role name seems to contradict earlier color about Simpleton being “assassin-free.”
I don’t think I’m a watcher. I was hoping I’d be able to use my role like that, but apparently, I can’t tell whether a person gets protected (assuming AH is telling the truth) or whether they leave their home at Night to take some sort of action (assuming BillMC is telling the truth). No one claimed to block me on Night 1, so I don’t know why I was unsuccessful, or what it means. Maybe it means I die from visiting a Werewolf, but get an “unsuccessful” PM if I visit a Cabalist. Or, I’m just reading too much into it, and my role simply involves risking my life each Night, and doesn’t provide any useful info. It’s hard to draw conclusions from only 3 data points.
Is it better for me to play it safe and visit Sitnam Tonight, or do you want me to try visiting a werewolf? Once paul’s alignment got revealed, I thought special ed was a werewolf, because of the “voting blind” comment. But now I’m weary of labeling anything a slip, considering that I was wrong the first time around. Also, if special ed is telling the truth, then I should be able to verify it by getting trapped. Special ed, if I visit you Tonight and get trapped, will I get Mod killed for not posting?
You don’t trust them, but you believe their claims?
I apologize
unvote
vote Ichini Sanshigo
Why on earth would we wait for you to get a power that might allow you to win when we can just kill you now?
We can take care of **Bill **toMorrow after he kills.
See, he’s in a dilemma if he’s honest. If only Town dies toNight, he’s on the Scum side (which one though? Aren’t there 2 Scum factions? This part doesn’t make sense) Then he’ll die a Scum if we lynch him. If he kills a Scum, either we win or he’s on our side, and will stay on our side when we lynch him.
In any case, I’d say that both of them need to die. **Ichini **is obviously anti-town. Admittedly and investigatively (if **peeker **is being honest, let’s not lose site of that) **Bill **probably is. In fact, his kills are more likely to bring him to the Scum side since there’s more town. (If he’s being honest)
So, my suggestion is to lynch **Ichini **first, then consider **Bill **toMorrow. And let’s give a good long look at the claims.
Now, about peeker, what bothers me is that he investigated **Bill **as Town. Now, Bill’s story checks out with the odd condition of him constantly changing alignments (still doesn’t explain which or if both scum alignment he has when he kills a Town)
That said, I’m inclined to trust **peeker **for now, since he was obviously dead-on with Ichini
I can’t see how you’d be modkilled for not posting when it’s a posting restriction. I would think you might get mod killed if you DO post.
You’re welcome to visit me. I’ll try to resist the temptation to kill you in the morning 
There is a drawback to visiting me though. I can only assume that my trap only traps 1 person. I’m not sure what would happen if more than one person came to visit me. It also takes away the vote of one Town player. Also, it would be useless for what probably remains of the game. But, you do have to visit someone, I suppose I’m as good a choice as anyone.
Just an observation or two and then back with thoughts. Sorry, sitnam that it has gotten lamer and lamer. Don’t agree and will not ascribe. sach kudos to you 'cause where I sit this is anyone’s game.
FUVKING HELL. Inchino(sp.?] Is FUCKING NON TOWN AlIIGNED**. Cripes let’s lynch him. If I am wrong or lying you get me. What scum component could absorb another body loss. FCS, I just don’t get it.
Doc gotta have my back, however. If there are more days to play.
And my typing is horrible.
Meh.
[quote=“BillMC, post:902, topic:488592”]
We have cabal and wolves. I’m assuming one of them is the typical scum group. The other would be a third party–and I was referring specifically to Ichini, who, if he’s telling the truth, is third party (and I believe he’s telling the truth about that, given the status of wolves in these games typically)
Yes, I do. Brilliant deduction.
…noo, I suspect that perhaps both groups can kill. Or that perhaps the cabal can NK and there’s an SK, instead of the wolves NKing and an SK, as I had previously assumed. Or … etc, etc.
Yes, and if I am correct, your claim lets me deduce much.
Firstly, let’s stop dancing around–I think you’re the Serial Killer. You claim to straddle town and scum, and that you must kill–very reminiscent of a serial killer. Why lie, you ask? Because the town doesn’t trust SKs. On the other hand, your lie gives us hope that we can tame you. Well, I’m not falling for it.
Anyway, your claim makes Ichini’s a lot more believable. If there’s an SK running around, then it’s highly unlikely that both wolves and cabal can kill–and given the color, it’s much more likely the wolves can kill than the cabal. Now, I still think Ichini is lying about something…but given your claim, I think it’s less likely to be his ability to kill.
Yes, but if you frak it up, that’s an extra towine lost. And I still don’t believe you’re really on our side.
I’m almost sure both of you are malicious and need to die. But since you can kill, you’re higher priority.
Hangonhangonhangon–you think I’m a wolf? The last wolf? Or do you think that both the wolves and cabal can’t kill? Because if it’s the former, that’s one hell of a leap of intuition you just made to justify an OMGUS, and if the latter, then that seems highly far-fetched.
However, having said all that, I am more than happy with an Ichini lynch, and will move my vote if there is any risk that she or Bill will not be lynched.
I’m with you on this peeker.
I’m trusting you so far because, if you’re lying, we should have the opportunity to get you later.
Even if by some freak chance you’re a werewolf investigator outing the last cabalist, I don’t think it’s all over yet.
I just do find it out that you found Bill to be Town when it seems pretty clear that he’s 3rd party, but maybe his alignment changing thing influence that. Though I’m not buying into that yet either
So, I’m with you so far. Let’s get Itchy.
I tried to determine if everyone could be telling truth based on who had been killed when and what everyone claimed their actions were. It is possible. Ichini says she gets her special power when all killing factions have been eliminated, but BillMc is a killer, so she would not have her power yet. There have been two Night kills each Night except the first. The first Night the wolves may have targeted AH(who protected herself) or a cabalist (who are immune to wolves). The other two Nights there have been 2 kills, one by BillMC, and one by some other faction. This lends credence to Ichini’s claim that cabal cannot night kill.
None of this answers the question of why I survived a lynch though. I guess it is possible that Masons could not be lynched, though that seems unusual given that they can confirm each other.
Anyway, if all the above is true, then we obviously need to get rid of Ichini. The question I have is if we lynched her and she was the last scum would the game end immediately or would there still be Night? If Ichini was gone and we still had Night, then Bill would have to assassinate someone and his alignment would change to scum. We could just lynch him the next day, but going to the next day would also make things more ambiguous. Also, what happens to BillMC’s alignment if he Night kills pede, who says he doesn’t have an alignment?
If someone provides an argument for voting for someone else, I am certainly willing to change, but I think the best course of action is:
Vote Ichini Sanshigo
Another hole in Bill’s claim.
Sp far, he’s claimed to be pro-town when he kills Scum, and pro-Scum when he kills Town.
There’s no mention of what happens if he kills non-Town, non-Scum (now, maybe we don’t really have any. **pede **is the only one claimed, correct? So maybe this isn’t a hole.
But why I find suspicious is, how can he be pro-Scum when the Scum are against each other? Does this mean:
No matter, Bill seems to be an anti-town element.
In any case, Ichini has CLAIMED to be an anti-town element.
So, my suggestion remains, lynch Ichini now, and Bill later.
Here’s an idea.
Let’s tell **Bill **to target me toNight.
I can use my trap on him. If he truly wants to align himself with the Town, I can kill him before he has a chance to kill again, so he’ll be aligned with Town, even though he’s dead. It won’t waste our lynch and he won’t make a NK.
Now, if Bill’s lying, he won’t target me, and we’ll just lynch him toMorrow.
It seems like the best of both worlds. We’ll be rid of both **Bill **and **Ichini **by toMorrow morning.
Please check this over and see if there’s a flaw in my thinking.
I must retract this. Bill’s role claim does say that if he kills non-town he’s aligned with Town. 3rd party would be included in non-town, so his role claim does cover this contingency.
SO, my point is not valid.
Ok, I’ll be scratchy. The thing with my ability is that I get alignment, not role. And it is only pro or anti town. So if we have a shape shifter I have no friggin clue how that would play out. So if there is some sort of town aligned killer that has a different win condition than town I don’t know how that would play out, especially if it’s a changer.
Mod question: If there is a player that their win condition can change, how will my inevestigation read? Original role or current status?
Bet the bastard gives an Obama response.
Nickel on the board.
Hey, I like that!
Unvote BillMC
Vote Ichini
vote Ichini Sanshigo
,but I’d love to hear any reason not too.
You won’t hear it from me. While Bill may well need to be got rid of I’m far more worried about Ichini’s mysterious power that’ll come about once all killers are dead.
For all we know it could steal her the win and then we’ll all look damn stupid.
If Bill’s telling the truth then right now he’s town. If we go into Night after Ichini’s lynch then if Bill really is town right now he’ll visit Ed and die town. A good result for him as he’ll win with town. A good result for us because we won’t have to WiFOM whether he’s telling the truth toMorrow.
Of course this only works if Ed’s telling the truth too but it seems the best option.
I’ll die town - so it’s fine with me.
If someone else also turns up dead tomorrow, I’d take a long hard look at Pede, indeed I would suggest that Peeker take that look tonight**.
I appreciate the input but am going to keep my options open, so to speak. And I am nbot being a smart ass, just want to keep the Non Town aligned guessing. And who is to say that I’ll even be alive.
And I think the plan sounds right. At least I can’t see anything wrong with it. But shoot I’ve missed things in the past.