Mafia: Not-so-simple-Simpletown

[special_ed]

@peekercpa

9s.

Since fedex doesn’t deliver to a p.o. box do you need my address for the bus tokens?

That’d be great…

and, you still didn’t have a straight before either

[peekercpa]

@special_ed

That’d be great…

and, you still didn’t have a straight before either

Would you please stop paying attention to the details.

Get a larger outlook on life FCS.

[sachertorte]

peekercpa, a Cabalist, is dead.

[peekercpa]

@sachertorte

peekercpa, a Cabalist, is dead.

Well that’s kind of inconvenient.

[special_ed]

@peekercpa

Well that’s kind of inconvenient.

Do I still get your car?

[peekercpa]

@special_ed

Do I still get your car?

Why the heck not. You may want to buy some tires, however. Driving on the cinder blocks really plays heck with your back. It also screws with the eight track.

[Sitnam]

What is going on in this town?!?!

[BillMC]

Sorry folks, after reading Ichini’s death colour, I had second thoughts about sacrificing myself.

@sachertorte

The Town maintains the long standing tradition of killing
people for telling the truth and listening to the liars.
God forbid letting someone truthful live.
You’ll get used to it.
Ichini Sanshigo, a Cabalist, is dead.

[ul][li]Ichini was telling the truth.[/li][li]Peeker claimed detective and condemned her.[/li][li]Peeker knew Ichini was Cabal[/li][li]Peeker’s investigation of me was wrong - he should have gotten a non-town result for me; and he couldn’t explain why. [/li][li]His reluctance to investigate Pede added to my suspicion [/li][li]So it was unlikely Peeker was actually a detective, but he may have been another pro-town role hiding[/li][li]But Peeker was correct about Ichini - so the only way he would know that was if he was Cabal too and bussed one of their own to gain town cred[/li][li]So I decided to use my NK for the good of the town again, and kill Peeker[/ul][/li]
So we have 3 of 5 dead masons, 5 dead Cabal, 4 dead Werewolves, and the game isn’t over.

Sitnam, MentalGuy you are the only confirmed town, what are your thoughts?

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@BillMC

Sorry folks, after reading Ichini’s death colour, I had second thoughts about sacrificing myself.

[ul][li]Ichini was telling the truth.[/li][li]Peeker claimed detective and condemned her.[/li][li]Peeker knew Ichini was Cabal[/li][li]Peeker’s investigation of me was wrong - he should have gotten a non-town result for me; and he couldn’t explain why. [/li][li]His reluctance to investigate Pede added to my suspicion [/li][li]So it was unlikely Peeker was actually a detective, but he may have been another pro-town role hiding[/li][li]But Peeker was correct about Ichini - so the only way he would know that was if he was Cabal too and bussed one of their own to gain town cred[/li][li]So I decided to use my NK for the good of the town again, and kill Peeker[/ul][/li]
So we have 3 of 5 dead masons, 5 dead Cabal, 4 dead Werewolves, and the game isn’t over.

Sitnam, MentalGuy you are the only confirmed town, what are your thoughts?

OK, so here’s some somewhat random thoughts.

5 Masons and 5 cabal (does that mean 5 werewolves?)

Bill is claiming the kill (I doubt Scum would counter) Is he the werewolf or is he being honest?

Could there be a werewolf left AND Bill killing? (maybe they targeted the same person or one was protected)

Here’s what we have:

1. Hero From Sector 7G (Coward)
2. Sitnam (Mason)
3. ok11 (Shepherd)
4. Almost Human (Doctor)
5. special ed (Paranoid Freak)
6. MentalGuy (Mason)
7. pedescribe (3rd party survivor)
8. BillMC (3rd party?? Assassin)

We obviously have at least 1 killer left that we need to eliminate.

[special_ed]

Our non-mason claims:

@BillMc

I am a Master Assassin, I move unseen and cannot be tracked or watched.

I’m effectively a compulsory vig.

However, my loyalties change depending on who I kill - if I kill town, I become non-town, if I kill non-town I become pro-town.

On Night 1 I killed Pleo (werewolf)
On Night 2 I killed Adrian (mason) - oops my bad!
On Night 3 I killed Natlaw (werewolf)

I did not kill Nanook or Oredigger - someone else did.

@pedescribe

I am also a third party. I am a survivor. I win if another group won and I am still alive at the time. So I’ve been pretty quiet in hopes that it would keep me from being lynched. I proposed the mass claim as a way to protect myself, 'cause I figured the wolves/cabal wouldn’t attack a powerless non-town. So…that’s about it.

@special ed

I’m the Paranoid Freak. I win when all anti-Town elements are dead. Every Night I stay home and hide in my attic. I also set a trap for anyone who visits me in the Night no matter the reason. At Dawn, I check my trap. If I’ve found anyone, I have 2 options. 1) I may kill them and dump their body in the street. 2) I may hold them for the duration of the Day and then release them the next Night. They will be unable to post or vote during that Day. Because of the time it takes to set up the trap, if it is sprung, I cannot use it the following 2 Nights.
So far, no one has visited me.

My thoughts were that my power wasn’t especially pro-town, since it seemed likely I’d either kill or block a Town player who tried to investigate me or protect me. Then I realized, with how many Scum we have, it would be much more likely that I’d kill or block a Scum anyway.

@Almost Human

My turn now. I’m a town doc. The first two Nights I self protected which may be why there was only one kill on Night 1. Last Night I protected mentalguy - ironic or what. I’m not going to say who I’ll protect toNight - no point giving anything away.

@ok11

I’m a Shepherd. Every Night, I visit a different neighbor to find out whether they’ve seen my lost sheep. If I visit a werewolf, I die. So I knew this game had werewolves, which is why I thought MG’s slip on Day 1 was real.

I was afraid to visit people who might be NK, because I thought being at their house would get me NKed, too. If Hero is telling the truth about his role, then I probably shouldn’t have worried about it, because he stayed at Pleo’s house on Night 1, and nothing happened to him.

I tried to visit kitten on Night 1. I picked kitten because I thought he was a townie, and I figured that scum wouldn’t target him because he got so much suspicion on Day 1. I got a PM before Day 2 started, which said that my attempt to visit kitten was unsuccessful. I’m still not sure why it happened, but at first, I thought he was a Doctor who self-protected (i.e. didn’t let anyone enter his house). But now that we know he was a Cabalist, my theory is that kitten wasn’t home because he was out NKing.

On Night 2 I visited BillMC. I didn’t get any PM, and since I’m still here, I think it’s safe to say that he’s not a werewolf. I picked BillMC because a known werewolf voted for him. On Night 3, I visited MentalGuy because at that point I knew he’s not a wolf. I was hoping that by saying that MG might be protected, I discouraged scum from targeting him. My attempt to visit him was successful, so I think he wasn’t actually protected.

Now that I’ve claimed, I can try to use my role like a detective. For example, I can try visiting the player most likely to be a wolf, and if I’m dead the next Day, you’ll know why. The problem is that if the scum NK me, they’ll be able to frame someone. Alternatively, I can try to visit Hero (or someone else who claims a Night action), and see if he’s telling the truth about not being home at Night.

@hero from sector 7g

I am a “coward.” I win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Each night I have to pick a player to “hide” with and cannot pick the same player twice. I die if there are no more players left for me to hide with. That was all the information I was given.

Night One. I hid with Pleonast. I thought perhaps I would be given some sort of information if he took a night action, but instead he turned up dead and I got no reply from Sach. I assumed than that my power was some sort of redirection and wanted to telegraph this information to the town. I figured scum knew what happened and also wanted to keep them guessing. The “i” is not a typo.

Night Two. I hid with Ichini because I thought she was the scummiest. No extra PM from Sach.

Night Three. I hid with Peeker for reasons that should be obvious. No extra PM from Sach.

[special_ed]

Now, I’m not sure if this is useful, but it’s interesting.

**Peeker **claimed to be an investigator. What if he was telling the truth and it’s **Bill **and the werewolves who are our killers?

**Peeker **claimed to have investigated **Bill **on Night 3. **Hero **claims to have stayed with **peeker **on Night 3. What if Hero’s power is some sort of redirect and **peeker **actually got a town reading on **Hero **instead of a non-town reading on Bill?

It seems plausible that the Cabal could have gotten some powers to compensate for not being able to kill. Also, the evidence doesn’t point to 3 killing factions.

Also, what if Hero’s hiding with **Pleo **somehow negated the wolves kill?

Wait! Maybe **Hero **is a roleblocker! **Peeker **might have been confused by not getting a reading on Bill. And Hero could have roleblocked Pleo.

Now, this doesn’t tell us anything about Hero’s alignment.
And, of course, all of this is suspect becuase I’m making several assumptions here, but let’s get some conversation going. I feel like we’re right on the edge of victory here.

[BillMC]

@special_ed

Could there be a werewolf left AND Bill killing? (maybe they targeted the same person or one was protected)

I’d have to agree with you Ed. There is still a possibility of there being another killer out there - either they chose not to kill, or they lucked out.

Peeker made several comments about being worried about being alive in the morning - I guess he was trying to convince Almost to protect him, which would leave her as a target.

Also, did ok11 or Hero see anything last night?

@special_ed

We obviously have at least 1 killer left that we need to eliminate.

Just a reminder that my alignment is still town - Peeker was non-town.

[BillMC]

@special_ed

Now, I’m not sure if this is useful, but it’s interesting.

That’s an interesting theory Ed, I’m not sure I would agree with your assumptions.

If Hero is a redirector, then yes that could explain why Peeker got the wrong result with me - tho that doesn’t change the fact that Peeker claimed Town Detective. However, as a redirector, it he would have had to have redirected the other killer onto Pleo as well - unlikely but not implausible.

If Hero is a blocker, then the assumption is that Pleo would have been the werewolf killer on Night 1. Given Pleo’s typically short lifespan, it would have been a poor decision by Pleo to be the wolves killer on night 0.

If Peeker were a detective, then wouldn’t a blocked investigation give no result, rather than a false result? However, Sach stated Ichini was telling the truth - she said the Cabal had no powers – so unless Sach has gone gastard on us, Peeker had no powers.

Hmm, so Hero may well be a blocker of sorts.

I’d really like some of the others to comment.

In addition to Ichini’s claim on no additional powers, the Mason’s claimed no additional powers – yet someone thankfully saved MG from the lynch. So someone has or had some power.

[BillMC]

@special_ed

Bill is claiming the kill (I doubt Scum would counter) Is he the werewolf or is he being honest?

I meant to comment on the supposition that I was a werewolf.

From ok11’s claim - if I were a werewolf he would be dead. *“I’m a Shepherd. Every Night, I visit a different neighbor to find out whether they’ve seen my lost sheep. If I visit a werewolf…<snip>
On Night 2 I visited BillMC. I didn’t get any PM, and since I’m still here, I think it’s safe to say that he’s not a werewolf.” *

So if we believe ok11’s claim then I am categorically not a werewolf.

If we don’t believe it, there are a couple of options
[ul][li] ok11 and I could both be werewolves - however, that would imply that on Nights 2 & 3, the werewolves got 2 kills - and that I killed two of our own - that would be pretty implausible - multiple kills and bus two of your own team.[/li][li]ok11 is in fact a werewolf, and could safely say who isn’t a werewolf. At the time of his claim, the alignment of kitten and mentalguy were already know.[/li][li]ok11 took a gamble and guessed.[/li][/ul]

[BillMC]

Since the previous posts comment on the validity of ok11 and Hero, I may as well comment on the others

[ul][li] MentalGuy & Sitnam - I’ll take that as given that they are town masons and trustworthy.[/li][li] Almost - I’ve never played a game without a Doc, and no one has counterclaimed, so until there is evidence to the contrary, I’ll accept her claim.[/li][li] Pede - maybe you are a survivor, but it feels like you have something to hide - maybe you are the mystery saviour of MentalGuy. Sorry for pressing you yesterday, I wanted to see if Peeker would bite on investigating you.[/li][li] Ed - I’m not sure about your claim, but neither the claimed powers by Hero or ok11 could detect me at night, so its plausible.[/li][/ul]

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@BillMC

That’s an interesting theory Ed, I’m not sure I would agree with your assumptions.

If Hero is a redirector, then yes that could explain why Peeker got the wrong result with me - tho that doesn’t change the fact that Peeker claimed Town Detective. However, as a redirector, it he would have had to have redirected the other killer onto Pleo as well - unlikely but not implausible.

If Hero is a blocker, then the assumption is that Pleo would have been the werewolf killer on Night 1. Given Pleo’s typically short lifespan, it would have been a poor decision by Pleo to be the wolves killer on night 0.

If Peeker were a detective, then wouldn’t a blocked investigation give no result, rather than a false result? However, Sach stated Ichini was telling the truth - she said the Cabal had no powers – so unless Sach has gone gastard on us, Peeker had no powers.

Hmm, so Hero may well be a blocker of sorts.

I’d really like some of the others to comment.

In addition to Ichini’s claim on no additional powers, the Mason’s claimed no additional powers – yet someone thankfully saved MG from the lynch. So someone has or had some power.

No offense, Bill, but I don’t trust you. You’re a claimed unaligned killing machine.

But you’re right about Mental guy surviving. Someone had a day protect power. It’s possible that our masons have hidden powers. And they decided not to claim them because that might aid our non-town players.

I’d like to hear from our Masons as to what their thinking now. They are the only ones I’m trusting right now. I’d also like to hear from pedescribe. He’s claimed to be non-town, but I don’t trust him to be a simple survivor. I’m afraid we might have a mad-bomber or some sort of chia bingo manager. He seems the most likely suspect. If I had to vote now, I’d vote to lynch him first, and have you commit suicide in my trap toNight, and then see if the game doesn’t end. Or if you decide to avoid my trap again, then we lynch you toMorrow.
But I’m still waiting to hear from others.

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@BillMC

If we don’t believe it, there are a couple of options
[ul][li] ok11 and I could both be werewolves - however, that would imply that on Nights 2 & 3, the werewolves got 2 kills - and that I killed two of our own - that would be pretty implausible - multiple kills and bus two of your own team.[/li][li]ok11 is in fact a werewolf, and could safely say who isn’t a werewolf. At the time of his claim, the alignment of kitten and mentalguy were already know.[/li][li]ok11 took a gamble and guessed.[/li][/ul]

Interesting, I never saw the list tag before. Very useful

And also useful is thinking about ok11. Did he try peeker’s gambit of pretending to out the clan he’s in?

If he’s a werewolf, wouldn’t he also have targeted peeker, thinking to get rid of an investigator before he’s found out?

[ok11]

I stayed with Sitnam last Night, and didn’t get an “unsuccessful” PM. Unfortunately, that doesn’t help us.

I’ll have more time to play on Monday, so hopefully I’ll be able to contribute more analysis then. But for now, here are a few thoughts off the top of my head.

@BillMC

However, Sach stated Ichini was telling the truth - she said the Cabal had no powers – so unless Sach has gone gastard on us, Peeker had no powers.

Not everything she said was true. For instance, she claimed to be the last Cabalist. So we can’t trust this part of her claim either.

If there’s just one killer left, then it’s BillMC, and we have to lynch him before he kills a townie. If there are two killers left, then the second one got blocked, chose not to kill, or also targeted peekercpa.

We can try to get some of the players to test each other’s claims Tonight. For example, BillMC can target AH, and if they’re both telling the truth then AH won’t die and BillMC will stay town-aligned. Either I, Hero, or both of us can visit special ed to see if he’s really able to capture.

Special ed, I don’t really understand your theory about pretending to out the clan I’m in. Can you clarify whom you think I outed?

BillMC, if this game doesn’t have a Detective, then it may not have a Doctor either.

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@ok11

Special ed, I don’t really understand your theory about pretending to out the clan I’m in. Can you clarify whom you think I outed?

What I meant is, IF (and it’s a big if, granted) you’re a werewolf, then you can claim a role in which you’ll know if someone isn’t a werewolf. So, you can say Player A isn’t, and player B isn’t…and you’ll always be right, IF you are the last werewolf. So, basically, you’d be ‘pretending’ to have a power that finds werewolves (granted, with your death)

And we had 5 cabal, so is it a stretch that there are 5 werewolves?

[special_ed]

@ok11

BillMC, if this game doesn’t have a Detective, then it may not have a Doctor either.

I know this question wasn’t directed at me, but I’d like to chime in.

I’m not convinced we don’t have a detective or that we didn’t.

Someone had a power to stop a lynch. No one claimed it and it never showed up in a death. So, it’s still plausible that the masons or someone else has an additionaly power that they decided not to claim. Sometimes claiming hose things helps the scum more than it helps Town.