This makes sense. If the werewolves were the killers. However, we don’t know what powers (investigative, protective, tracking, concealing, etc) that the Cabal might have had.
However, if you say you’re visting me, the obvious move for the Scum or any killing role would be kill to kill you to throw suspicion on me.
Also, not that it benefits me to point out, but even if I capture you doesn’t prove my alignment, just my power.
I’m suitably impressed - that was really subtle - put someone else to the test before yourself. If Ed is lying you’ll get to live another 2 days and pretty much be in the end game
“equivalent of having a no lynch. I think we can afford that at this stage of the game.” I’m interested to know why you think this? do you know something about the make up of who is left? Pede’s already tabled an idea that there could be multiple/numerous scum left. If that is the case, then a no-lynch would be to the scum’s advantage. The only way you could know whether the town could afford a no-lynch is if you are scum.
“So a set up with 5 Cabalists, 4 Werewolves, and 1 SK makes sense to me.” - yeah lets dismiss the plausibility that there are 5 werewolves, that is really far fetched.
"If the Cabalists really couldn’t kill, then it would make sense balance-wise for the less-powerful scum group to have fewer members. "
Underlining mine - so you are saying the werewolves are even less powerful than the non-killing Cabal?? How the heck would you know the werewolves were less powerful? And if less-powerful werewolves cannot kill, who the hell killed nanook and oredigger, coz I certainly didn’t.
And in fact, I’m 99.999% certain you won’t die from visiting Ed as you know he is not a werewolf, because you are.
“Of course, I could die from a NK” yeah right - with me gone there is absolutely no chance of that, because you are the other killer.
Nothing you have divulged wasn’t already public knowledge. A nice cushy fake power that cannot be proven because you will never find another werewolf - you are the last werewolf.
You are a bad doggy.
unvote pede
vote ok11
In this scenario both special ed and I would have to be lying. So do you think we’re both scum? If special ed is a lying Werewolf and I visit him, I’ll die. If there a killing scum left, and he/she wants to frame ed, I’ll die. If ed is telling the truth and captures me, I die. Personally, I think it’s extremely unlikely that I’ll make it to the endgame.
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“equivalent of having a no lynch. I think we can afford that at this stage of the game.” I’m interested to know why you think this? do you know something about the make up of who is left? Pede’s already tabled an idea that there could be multiple/numerous scum left. If that is the case, then a no-lynch would be to the scum’s advantage. The only way you could know whether the town could afford a no-lynch is if you are scum.
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Again, how many scum do you think are out there? If you’re telling the truth about your role, then you’re a semi-scum. If you think there are at least 2 scum besides yourself, then what kind of game would have 11.5 scum in a town of 20? I was saying that even if you’re telling the truth about your role, then lynching you would be more like a No Lynch than a mislynch. Of course, if there’s another threat out there, it would be more efficient to try lynching that person toDay, and hoping you’d keep your word and suicide. But I think we can afford to be less efficient, and see your true alignment before we lynch someone else.
Vote BillMC
If you’re lynched, then we won’t have to worry about you NKing a town player and turning scum. Even if you’re not a Serial Killer, you’re dangerous. You’ve already changed your mind once. What if you try hitting a scum again and miss? I’m still not sure why based on the color (which is supposed to be neutral, rather than providing useful info for a team), you decided to take a risk and kill peekercpa. But it makes more sense if you’re the SK, because obviously, you wouldn’t have wanted to sacrifice yourself. If peeker turned out to be a real detective, then you’d be able to say that his investigation proves you’re pro-town.
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“So a set up with 5 Cabalists, 4 Werewolves, and 1 SK makes sense to me.” - yeah lets dismiss the plausibility that there are 5 werewolves, that is really far fetched.
"If the Cabalists really couldn’t kill, then it would make sense balance-wise for the less-powerful scum group to have fewer members. "
Underlining mine - so you are saying the werewolves are even less powerful than the non-killing Cabal?? How the heck would you know the werewolves were less powerful? And if less-powerful werewolves cannot kill, who the hell killed nanook and oredigger, coz I certainly didn’t.
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I haven’t dismissed the possibility of 5 Werewolves. I just looked at an alternate theory. And I made a typo; it should read fewer instead of more. If you look at the following sentence about the (allegedly non-killing) Cabalists having 5 members, and the Werewolves having 4 members, then you can see what I meant.
[QUOTE=BillMC]
Nothing you have divulged wasn’t already public knowledge.
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Since when was your non-Werewolf-ness public knowledge?
I also made a typo while correcting my typo. I really should just wait until I have time to play rather than trying to play in-between doing 100 other things.
Let me try it again. The original sentence should say:
If the Cabalists really couldn’t kill, then it would make sense balance-wise for the less-powerful scum group to have more members.
Special ed, I see your point about the possibility of the Cabalists having other powers to compensate for the inability to kill. I also see your and MentalGuy’s point about the SK. For some reason I thought SKs win if either all town or all scum players are eliminated. I think I had it confused with a PFK or something.
I’m kind of torn here. I understand Bill’s an admitted killer but at the same time I totally understand why he went for peek instead of tripping Ed’s trap.
When we look at his kills, he’s killed 3 scum and one town which seems like more of an advantage to us than a disadvantage.
While I agree it’s too dangerous to let him live till the end of the game I’m inclined to take his word he’ll either suicide or let Ed off him toNight.
If we agree to give him this one last chance we could effectively catch another scum toDay and perhaps win the game either toDay or toMorrow.
We have 5 dead cabal, 4 dead wolves and 3 dead town
We have two confirmed town - mentalguy and sitnam
The rest of us (6 players) are still unconfirmed. Something tells me not everyone is town.
pede’s already admitted to not being town. He says he’s a third party survivor. Naturally I’m dubious about that though no more so than anyone else.
Bill’s claim is that he’s alligned with town as long as he kills scum and vice versa - if he’s telling the truth it’s best he doesn’t kill again as it’d be too easy to make a mistake at this point.
Ed’s claim is unconfirmable unless someone has the balls to visit him. Unsurprisingly nobody has but that’s hardly his fault.
Hero’s claim is that he hides. It isn’t much of a claim and it isn’t confirmable but then nobody’s is that I can tell.
OK11’s claim came after Hero’s. It’s very similar really. Frankly I trust it less than his seeing as it came afterwards. It seems OK11 took Hero’s template and altered it a bit to fit. She also made suggestions that would have made it easy for scum to make a successful target toNight by saying who I should protect.
My claim’s also unconfirmable. Only one death Night 1 and one last Night may or may not have been due to my protection - we can’t know till the game’s over.
Out of everyone I find OK11 most suspicious and I’d far rather lynch her toDay than Bill. I will however go with who the masons decide on.
Mentalguy’s already voted Bill so I’m waiting on sitnam to vote now.
MentalGuy is brand new, this is only my second game, being confirmed pro-town doesn’t mean I have any more information than you.
I’m torn as well and would rather no one jumped on a bandwagon I started or was a part of.
You know, the more I think about it the more Almost Human’s last sentence was a shrewd way to hide her vote history, “I voted for that guy 'cause the Mason’s did”.
For now,
vote Almost Human
Fair enough, at least you’re thinking even if you’re wrong.
My point was that if we don’t agree on a candidate then we’re likely to allow the scum to control the voting. However, seeing as you and mentalguy aren’t voting together I’m just going to vote for who I think scummiest so
Vote OK11
As Sitnam has said, I am new, so I can’t really give any advice that is based on any experience. I am voting for BillMC because we are fairly certain he is a killer of some sort and it seems to me that it would be a good idea to get rid of him. I certainly can see the other arguments though.
Pede, to answer your question, it is not that we think you have to die because you are a survivor. It is that we do not trust you. Given your (claimed) role, there is not much that you can do to make us trust you (except dying).
ok11, while I think AH has good cause to be suspicious of you, let’s assume you are telling the truth about your role. I think you should visit Hero or Pede tonight. But whoever you visit, let us know your plans before Night.
It may sound like I am trusting the people’s claims too much, but I figure we have to start somewhere.
You keep acting like I wanted peeker to be left alone. No. I want you dead. You are the biggest threat to me, and you are the biggest threat to the town. I wasn’t worried about peeker before, because I didn’t realize he was dead until he died.
Look. If I could go back and control you with perfect knowledge, I would have you do the same thing. (my previous statement that contradicts this was based on erroneous assumptions about the trapper due to me not triple checking my research) But the fact that you didn’t have perfect knowledge means that I am more suspicious of you because you made the right decision.
Basically, it’s not about the consequences, which were entirely good. It’s about your motives, which I am almost sure are not.
Yes, I am. I can’t win if I die. Plus, I’m working solely for the town at this point, so it would also be in your best interests to leave me alone.
This, unfortunately, is all too true. There’s not much I can do on this front except reiterate my loyalty and work with the town to root out the actual threats.
That sounds like a threat…
Since your vote is already on me anyway, that kinda implies you have some other power to make the threat with.
At this point? and you question whether I would change my loyalties!?
Sure, works for me. I’ll go with the one I consider likelier to be a Werewolf, because getting NKed will hurry things along by death-confirming my role. But if you think it’s better to visit someone less likely to be a Werewolf, just let me know.
Hero gets non-wolf points for voting Pleo on Day 1. I also trust his claim a bit more, because it fits with my and special ed’s role. One of the reasons AH is suspicious of me is because my claim is similar to Hero’s. It’s not my fault that he role claimed first, and the only real similarity is that we both go to people’s houses. This actually makes me a bit less suspicious of Hero and special ed. What would be the point of special ed capturing/killing intruders if practically no one could enter his house? I think my and Hero’s role balance out special ed’s role, because they create the possibility of him killing a town player. Otherwise, special ed’s role seems too powerful (for a town with 5 masons), because he gets night kill protection along with the ability to kill intruders. (Insert standard disclaimer wherever necessary: if they’re telling the truth…)
I’ll visit pedescribe Tonight. Any objections? I’m not sure whether I’ll be able to check the thread again before 4pm. If people post conflicting suggestions, I’ll take a Mason’s advice over a non-Mason, and the last piece of advice if no Masons (but one or multiple other players) respond. That way, even if I can’t confirm my choice before the Day ends, everyone should be able to see who I’ll pick.
Unofficial vote count:
3 Bill (pede, MG, OK11)
2 OK11 (Bill, AH)
1 AH (sitnam)
I’m seeing no reason to change my vote here. I genuinely think we should all be voting for OK11.
1 - Almost Human (Sitnam)
3 - BillMC (pedescribe, MentalGuy, ok11)
2 - ok11 (BillMC, Almost Human)
I’ve been watching for last minute voting shenanigans or gambits.
Nothing seems to be happening.
I’m more ok with a Bill lynch than an ok lynch.
I wish we’d seen a bit more particpation, and I hope this lynch results in the game for Town. If not, we’ve got some rethinking to do.
vote Bill
in a meeting, be back soon.
Er, does this mean I missed the deadline for voting? Sorry my participation has been low. The semester is near closing and the work is piling up.
Guess that’s day over
Cheers Ed - that puts you back ahead on the lynch score! 
I was hoping you wouldn’t show up before day end and that I might have survived till tonight on a no-lynch due to the “uncontested plurality” requirement not being met - tho I might have gotten that wrong.
That would have been a personal best for me for any game - c’est la vie!!