Mafia: Not-so-simple-Simpletown

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1061

[RIGHT]It’s that time again.[/RIGHT]
We’re totally killing BillMC Today.
[RIGHT]Interesting.
Okay. BillMC is dead.
See? I can be very accommodating when I want to be.[/RIGHT]
Well? What was he?
[RIGHT]Oh, right right.
You sure you don’t want to guess?[/RIGHT]
Arrrgh!
Was BillMC a Werewolf?
[RIGHT]No. BillMC is not a Werewolf.[/RIGHT]
Was BillMC a Cabalist?
[RIGHT]No. BillMC is not a Cabalist.[/RIGHT]
Crap. We lost a freaking Town power role!
Idiocy!
Why did we lynch poor, innocent, BillMC!
We need to lynch scum, not Town.
How are we going to win this way?
It’s your fault!
No, it’s your fault!
I voted for the other guy.
[RIGHT]BillMC is not aligned with the Town.[/RIGHT]
What?!
Well then what was he?
[RIGHT]Are you sure you want to know?
You’re not going to like the answer.[/RIGHT]
We need to know.
Just tell us already!
[RIGHT]BillMC, an Assassin, is dead.
You don’t need to get snippy about it.[/RIGHT]

1 - Almost Human (Sitnam)
4 - BillMC (pedescribe, MentalGuy, ok11, Special Ed)
2 - ok11 (BillMC, Almost Human)

Hero from Sector 7G has been removed from the game for lack of participation during Day Five.

1062

6 players are alive:
[del]Nanook of the North Shore[/del] Town Mason
[del]Hero From Sector 7G [/del]
[del]Pleonast[/del] Werewolf
[del]Seeker of Truth and Beauty Ichini Sanshigo[/del] Cabalist
pedescribe
Sitnam
[del]rexnervous Mr. Svinlesha[/del] Cabalist
[del]peekercpa[/del] Cabalist
special ed
[del]Natlaw[/del] Werewolf
[del][Undecided] Adrian[/del] Town Mason
[del]willthekittensurvive?[/del] Cabalist
[del]straggler[/del] Cabalist
[del]Oredigger77[/del] Town Mason
[del]BillMC[/del] Assassin
MentalGuy Town Mason
Almost Human
[del]paulwhoisaghost[/del] Werewolf
ok11
[del]Batman Jenkems[/del] Werewolf

1063

Yeees!!!

I totally told you all so!

1064

Cool.

1065

I have so much I want to say, but for now, let me say

Fluff

Fluff Fluff Fluff Fluff

1066

For those of you interested in a new game, signups for the next off-board game are nearly closed. The game won’t start until some other game on that board ends (a week or three?). Anyway, if you are interested in playing the location of the game is:
Dr.Horrible Mafia

You can even seek your revenge upon me. Or try at least.

1067

[out of game]
Sorry to cross post this everywhere (which is what I’ve done), but many people always tell me they want to know when a game is starting up on my boards.
Well, one is soon, by FCoD, and the sign ups are in Meta Gaming on www.idlemafia.com
For anyone not yet registered there: That’s, like, one of the oldest off site boards that the same group here plays mafia at. So if you haven’t yet signed up there, WHAT’S WRONG WITH YOU?

Just kidding. :slight_smile: Although I am a bit biased since they are my boards. :S
Don’t flog me
[/oog]

1068

Sitnam, a Town Mason, is dead.
MentalGuy, a Town Mason, is dead.

1069

Wow. This sucks.

And so, we’re left with:
pedescribe
special ed
Almost Human
ok11
and yet we had 2 kills last Night.

Ideas?

[ul]
[li]Was Mental Guy Day protected by Sitnam and he died when Sitnam died? (I think of this because of a video game my kids play, Shadowrun, where they can ressurect someone but then that person bleed out when their savior dies)[/li][li]Was Mental Guy a Mason strongman who got targeted again last Night, which implies 2 killing powers left[/li][li]Were Mental Guy and Sitnam some sort of joined role like lovers where both had to die for them both to die?[/li][li]Was there something else special about the Masons? like being immune to lynching[/li][/ul]
And where do we go from here?

The game hasn’t been handed to Scum yet. But I’d have to say we’re at lynch or lose. If we mislynch toDay, and there’s even 1 NK toNight, there are only 2 players left. Town cannot win in that situation. (unless that tie lynch vote randomness comes into play)

So, we’ve either got a Scum or a SK left alive, or heaven forbid both (even though that looks possible)

1070

I PMed sachertorte, and he said that an Assassin is a member of the Assassin faction. So it’s (most likely) not just BillMC, but his faction that can kill. As a result, I think we have to lynch an Assassin Today. I think AH is an Assassin. She didn’t protect the Masons last Night, meaning that she’s almost certainly lying about being a Doctor. Additionally, she tried to save BillMC from getting lynched Yesterday. In fact, if you look at her vote record, I think she’s been acting scummy throughout the game.

Vote Almost Human

I visited pedescribe last Night, and didn’t get an “unsuccessful” PM. So he’s not a Werewolf. He’s also unlikely to be an Assassin, due to the way he lobbied for a BillMC lynch. Consequently, I doubt I could be persuaded to change my vote to him Today. If the second Mason’s death was caused by a second killer, I think it’s likely that it’s special ed. It’s possible that he’s the last Werewolf, due to the “voting blind” comment. But I’m not as sure about that, because I had the impression that he’s been playing very pro town (did a lot of analysis and tried to get the conversation going).

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an entire other faction? If they had only 3 members than 2 of them are still alive! And there are only 4 of us.

Can you elaborate on her voting record being scummy?

He could have been bussing Bill to buy credibility. It’s possible.

Why me over pede?

And, as I see it. It’s possible that AH could be a werewolf. Did you ever visit her?

And, as a disclaimer. All of these questions are assuming you’re telling the truth. That’s not a given.

1072

NETA

It is possible they could have been a small 2 person faction if they had a protective power as well as a killing power, perhaps. Maybe AH wasn’t lying about being a protector?
oh, and we don’t know hero’s alignment, he could have been an assassin as well.
And, of course, ok and pede could be working together as assassins, having bussed one of their own to get credibility. All they’d need toDay is to get me to vote for AH or AH to vote for me.
And, of course, that’s true for anyone. If we have 2 Scum teammates together, if 1 Town misvotes, then it’s game over.

1073

Hero could have been an Assassin. If there are 2 of them left, then they haven’t won already because of the tie rules. (I see on preview that you’ve considered this already).

You don’t know my role, so I can’t convince you that she voted only for town players. However, on Days 1 - 3, she voted for Masons, even after MentalGuy claimed. Being wrong doesn’t equal being scum, but that’s just another point against her.

Can’t argue with that.

I know he’s not a Werewolf, and I think it’s unlikely that he’s an Assassin. I doubt he’s a Cabalist, considering that there are 5 of those dead already. You’re right that he could have been busing BillMC, but I think it’s likelier that AH is an Assassin, so I’d rather lynch her Today.

No, I haven’t visited her. You and her are the only remaining players I haven’t visit, which isn’t saying much considering that there are only 4 players left.

1074

I took another look at the vote records, and realized that I forgot about Day 4, when practically everyone voted for Ichini.

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I agree. I just wanted to see what you meant by she voted scummy. Usually it’s good to include evidence when you make an accusation, instead of just stating it as fact.

We’ve got no hurry to vote. There’s no hammering, which is good. But it’s still true, that if even 1 Townie votes or 2 Townies split their votes, the game could be over.

We’ve got to be extra careful.

1076

Here are some thoughts:

AH claimed doctor
[ul]
[li]Did she self-protect last Night in a WiFoM of Scum and lose?[/li][LIST]
[li]That seems poor thinking, because we need confirmed players alive.[/li][li]Of course, AH would know that the Scum know that and would tehrefore target Masons, so I guess she had WiFoM too[/li][/ul][li]Did she protect Mental Guy and he died anyway because Sitnam died?Is she lying Scum/3rd party?[/LIST][/li]
pede claimed survivor
[ul]
[li]If he’s honest, we can’t have 2 assassins left because then they would have won for out numbering Town, I think.[/li][li]If he’s lying, he’s got to be Scum or PFK[/li][LIST]
[li]He could be a SK, if Bill was a member of the Assassin faction[/li][li]That would explain the 2 deaths last Night as well[/li][li]If he IS SK and we don’t lynch him, he’ll kill toNight and then there will be him and 1 player left alive toMorrow, a stalemate[/li][LIST]
[li]and either the tie rule comes into play[/li][li]or he wins when the NK time comes around[/li][/ul][/LIST][/LIST]

The SK part would apply to anyone who could be a SK

OK claimed shepherd
[ul]
[li]He’s trying to assure us that there are no more Werewolves[/li][li]Could he be an Assassin who bussed Bill?[/li][li]Could he be a SK who just needs anyone lynched toDay?[/li][li]Could he be the last remaining werewolf?[/li][/ul]

If we have just one killer left, we can still win by lynching them toDay.

My fear at this point is that we have one remaining Assassin AND a Serial Killer.
If so, they’re basically the same. They’re both a one person killing faction. IF we kill one, the other still kills toNight. Leaving us with 2 players toMorrow and no way to lynch them (aside from the random tie rule). So the Town just basically decides which one of them wins. (as a real wacky aside, how about this scenario, we lynch Town toDay, and the 2 non-Town Kight Kill each other, and Town wins!!)

Now, here’s another thought. If one of those Town left is me, I can still kill a non-town who tries to kill me. And if AH is truly a doctor, she can protect toNight.

1077

avenge me!!!

1078

Here’s my opinions on the remaining players:
Special Ed.:
-Has acted very townie over the entire game.
-His claim, while highly unusual, seems plausible to me.

ok11
-Has been rather quiet, and I might need to reread for her posts.
-Claim seems like a werewolf lie to me.
-Also, there’s the numbers speculation that AH pointed out.

Almost Human
-Seemed rather townie to me, but
-Both masons died last night, and they were the logical choices to protect.
-This makes me much more suspicious of her.

Hero from Sector 7G
-Not alive, but still relevant since his role hasn’t been revealed
-If he is telling the truth, no issues arise.
-If he is lying, this is odd. The game would seem rather anti-town heavy.

pedescribe
-Survivor. Wins when all threats to any group are eliminated. Is not a threat to any group. Should not be killed.

Vote Almost Human
Though it was a close call between her and ok11; I might switch depending on what AH has to say and how ok11 sounds on reread.

1079

Whoops, I forgot.

Hero from Sector 7G, an Assassin, is dead.

1080

I think I’ve participated at least as much as you, but I suppose my perception is biased. The past couple of weeks have been very hectic for me, because I’m getting ready to move to another state for a new job. But I’ve kept up with the game and posted my thoughts, though I haven’t had as much time to think things through, elaborate on my ideas, or check for typos. I’d love to have more time to play so that I can put together better posts with more links and analysis, but it’s just not an option for me right now.

I’m not sure what you mean by this. Can you post a link please? If you’re referring to BillMC’s accusation, then see below.

That’s not true. BillMC accused me of dismissing the idea of 5 Werewolves, but I haven’t done that. I’ll provide links later if you’d like, but basically, he mischaracterized one of my paragraphs. It started with the idea that BillMC could be our last threat. I went on to describe a scenario where that would be the case (5 Cabalists, 4 Werewolves, 1 SK).

With the new info, I think the 3 likeliest game setups are: 5C, 5W, 3A; 5C, 4W, 3A; 5C, 4W, 4A. I think it’s unlikely that the game only had 2A, even if both had powers in addition to the NK, because it seems like they’d be at too much of a disadvantage. I’m not dismissing the possibility of other combos, though. As I’ve said at the start of the Day, I think it’s important to lynch an Assassin, because they are a killing faction. They may or may not make up half of the remaining players at this point. If they do, we have to lynch one so that they don’t outnumber town Tomorrow. If they don’t, then lynching one will (in the best case scenario) end the game, or at least get rid of their faction thereby stopping their NK.

I think AH is an Assassin. Look at the difference in her reaction to MG’s and Ichini’s role claims vs. BillMC’s. She was fine with lynching the first two, but didn’t want to lynch a known killer. Up until the deadline the vote was really close, and she almost succeeded in protecting BillMC. I also find it hard to believe that a real Doctor wouldn’t protect a Mason this close to endgame. Consequently, I doubt I’ll move my vote. I may be very busy in RL during the next few days, but I’ll do my best to check the thread regularly, and hopefully post more analysis.