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[QUOTE=Nanook of the North Shore]
No you’re right, and this is why I didn’t want to swap votes. Motivation right? Thinking it through, it just doesn’t make sense. Lets assume that you are scum and what I said was correct. You succeed in bandwagoning me. I come up town. Whats the most likely next thing that would happen? People would look back and see this whole interaction and string you up, probably followed closely by peeker. That would be a terrible trade for scum. I hereby withdraw my previous suspicion. I’m still not ready to declare you town, but I think peekercpa is a far better candidate for the time being.
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Yes, and a fair warning, until I’m dead, I’ve been confirmed by our Detective, or I make a confirmable role-claim, it is dangerous to ever look at me, or any one else, as “declared town”. Everything I say and do, as for everyone, should be filtered through what my motivation would be if I’m town or scum. In many games (of particular note storyteller’s play in M2), not doing this has been to the detriment of the town. Unsubstantiable trust of someone is easily manipulated by scum.

As for peekercpa, can someone reiterate that case against him, or reference me to a specific post? From what I can tell, he was accused yesterday for being loud, and not he’s being accused for being quiet after being loud.

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[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
What bugs me is the curiousity about why I had a read on her. I don’t see how my read on her has any relevance at all. I could just as easily be town or scum, and still had a read on her in either case. I could just as easily be either with a read, and she’s still dead either because of a read or for some other reason. So I’m simply failing to see how this delving into my reasoning for a read is leading us, in any way, toward deciding if I’m scum or not, and why Queen is dead.
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Thanks for answering all my questions. I’ll try to articulate why I’ve been harping on you (I’m done now) :stuck_out_tongue: The reason your post about QoT stood out to me was the strength of the statement, i.e. that she had town power role “written all over her.” This was followed by (IMO) not a whole lot of evidence of what was it was that was “written,” so to speak. So it seemed…too certain? To me, it potentially suggested you had some extra information, and we all know who has the most information right now.

So, I decided to draw you out on the topic and make you talk about it in detail too see if anything interesting resulted. I am trying to be dogged about pinning people down and making them answer specific questions (see my interaction yesterDay with MadTheSwine). I find that it both encourages participation, and leaves little room for vagueness and lazy thinking (not that you were engaging in either).

So, that’s it. I wish I had a more compelling plan than that, but that’s the best I could do at this point. :smiley:

Oh, and for the record, I agree that the likely scenario is that scum got some kind of read on QoT, although I do not discount the “random” theory either, given that it was Night One and such a tactic makes it hard for us to glean anything useful. But that’s down the road to WIFOM, so doesn’t really help us.

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[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
As for peekercpa, can someone reiterate that case against him, or reference me to a specific post? From what I can tell, he was accused yesterday for being loud, and not he’s being accused for being quiet after being loud.
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I noticed that catch-22 as well. It would be interesting to see if the people who suspicious of him yesterday due to his “loudness” are the same people who are suspicious of his “quietness” today. In fact, I believe I will go investigate that and report back, since I’m done grilling BlaM. :smiley:

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I don’t disagree on any particular point with the lynch votes for MadTheSwine and Blaster Master, but I get a greater sense of ‘lynching the loud’ for at least BlaM. I did a quick tally and fluiddruid, **WF Tomba ** and MindWanderer are standing in the back. Again, this isn’t scummy in and of itself but guys common, we really need your help and you’re doing yourselves no favors.

I’ve been keeping notes on you guys to get a feel for your personalities and how motivations would shake out in your posts and the more posts I can read the better I feel about my opinions. The better pictures come from the talkers and I wanted to let you guys know at least who I think it is NOT scum, peekercpa.

The man joined The Straight Dope not even two months ago, obviously never played Mafia and was one of the few here that’s filled out their bio with anything other than lame jokes. Now I’m certainly not suggesting a 48 year old poker playing Central Texan can’t lie, what I will say is I severely doubt a rookie with 50 posts the first day is scum. Theres stress in posting as scum, you have to make accusations while hiding your agenda. You have to worry constantly about what you’re saying. Theres no stress in being vanilla town. A person that is new to Mafia, not mention new to the Board in general who posts like a chatterbox is sleeping with an easy conscience. If peekercpa turns out to be scum then he really MUST stand up and take a bow for:

[QUOTE=peekercpa]
Real life intrudes. My daughter has to have her appendix taken out in an hour or so. I will try to check in during the night but will not make any guarantees.
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The fact that I believe he’s innocent makes me question MindWanderer’s motivation. Frankly I’m on the fence between MadTheSwine and MindWanderer (both for the post and his lurking). For now I’ll put it on MadTheSwine for never giving any of us an answer to what it was he was really trying to say. My assumption about peekercpa above combined with my aversion for accusations with no evidence makes things like this stand out:

[QUOTE=MadTheSwine]
Peekercpa has done a 180. It is very odd IMO.
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MadTheSwine

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[QUOTE=Sitnam]
For now I’ll put it on MadTheSwine for never giving any of us an answer to what it was he was really trying to say.

MadTheSwine
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Huh?

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NETA: my first sentence was supposed to say:

I don’t disagree on any particular point with the lynch votes for MadTheSwine and Blaster Master, but I get a greater sense of ‘lynching the loud’ for at least peekercpa.

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[QUOTE=MadTheSwine]
Huh?
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Your suggestion that the Detective come out, when called on it you said you were being misinterpreted, but then you said it again, then I called you on it again and now your pretending you don’t know what I’m talking about.

So am I going to get the dismissive response or none at all?

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Let’s try this again,

vote MadTheSwine

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Sorry, I’ve been…busy/distracted as of late, and I figured it would be better not to post than to post tired (which is probably equivilant to posting drunk). It isn’t right to feel this sleepy! Someone must have spiked my water with caffiene :mad:.

Random Thoughts:
–Blaster Master is being really loud.
–It’s slow today.
–I doubt that Sitnam is scum if peekercpa is town.
–The number shift (I to we) in zuma’s first post today is still really suspicious, but other than that, he’s been relatively normal.
–No modkills until dawn of day four, according to Sach. So we’d have a massive substitution. This might be just as bad, but at least we won’t win/lose on a whim.
–Not changing my vote.
–Where’s Fluiddruid??
–Ice Cream Man seems like a really good player.
–Our strategy is going to change radically if we lynch scum today.
–I’m still willing to switch over to the MTS bandwagon. (If I do, I will explain myself)

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Forget number three on my list.
I misread Sitnam’s post.

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Before I address your response to me, BlasterMaster, I want to address a subsequent quote from you:

[Quote=BlasterMaster]
she seemed to be looking for a lot of advice, or that she seemed timid about garnering suspicion?
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You have actually addressed why you found QoT suspicious. That is all I wanted. Perhaps it seemed like I (and maybe ShadowFacts as well, I dunno) wanted some sort of intense analysis, post by post. All I expected was something along the lines of what you did finally post. Do you see why I might consider a refusal to provide basic reasoning such as that as suspicious? Now I see why you seemed so put-upon by this request.

I think this addresses the bulk of your response to me. I think we had a miscommunication of expectations there, and I no longer consider that a valid point against you. I maintain that I did not throw out an OMGUS vote, and I hope you can see where I was coming from.

[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
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And as for my “actions as a whole” the only stuff you’ve mentioned is stuff that is, at worst, a difference of opinion. And, just now you say you don’t give a poop if I vote for Koldanar or not, but just a few posts ago, you asserted that my reasoning was manufactured… so which way is it? You can’t have it both ways.
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I can disagree with your reasoning without caring if you still believe something/vote a particular way etc. I can disagree with your reasoning but even still arrive at the same conclusion as you. And, as I said previously, your view on Koldanar’s post alone is not enough for me to vote for you in and of itself. And, considering that I am pretty sure that the QoT issue between us is a result of miscommunication,

unvote BlasterMaster

I know that in the part of your post I snipped, you accused me of dodging some of your questions. I ceratinly didn’t intend to dodge anything. Now, I feel that I have rendered those questions unnecessary by clarifying what my expectations actually were in the first place, but if you think any of those questions are still pertinent, please point them out and I will gladly answer them.

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[QUOTE=zuma]
Because trying to figure out who QOT was protecting is not anything we should be doing. Who do you think QOT was protecting? The cop. And who will benefit from this? The scum. That’s obvious, isn’t it?

Frankly, I’m not going down this road any longer.
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Catching up;

I was in no way truying to infer a challenge by “Stump question”. Merely, that the way I am participating is as dumb as a stump.

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[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
:confused: That would be one hellaciously large number. :dubious:
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Unwarranted smart ass comment. You don’t deserve that and apologies are extended. The asshole observation was right on. Are you potentially one of my ex-wives.

All I was trying to express was that your math is tough to wrap one’s head around. Reading it in a textbook makes sense, while applying it in a game where you admittedly you admit that motivation is more important than 2 + 2 = 4 makes it not as helpful.

I’ll shutbup now until I finish getting caught up.

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[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
I noticed that catch-22 as well. It would be interesting to see if the people who suspicious of him yesterday due to his “loudness” are the same people who are suspicious of his “quietness” today. In fact, I believe I will go investigate that and report back, since I’m done grilling BlaM. :smiley:
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And here’s my report: I found one person who met my criteria above. And the winner is…Nanook of the North Shore!

[QUOTE=Nanook]
peekercpa really seems to be all over the place with suspicions doesn’t he? I was pretty close to switching my vote to him this morning as I rode in on the train, but sitting here now I’m having second thoughts. It seems scummy to me, but I’m trying to keep in mind what I’ve seen story and sach say before, to think about motivations not just actions. I can see the motivations for his actions going either way, either overzealous townie or hyper scum trying to sow confusion. For now I’ll hold off on placing my vote, but he’s currently number 1 on my list.
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[QUOTE=Nanook]
I would like to point out that after regularly posting and tossing around votes and suspicions, peekercpa hasn’t posted much since the day began. This strikes me as scum being told to tone it down by fellow scum overNight, since that was their first chance to communicate. Am I the only one feeling this at all? Any thoughts?
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So first **peeker’s **posting “all over the place” makes you suspicious. Then the next day his being quiet makes you suspicious. Guy can’t catch a break, I guess. Care to comment?

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And for those that have made a comment about lack of oarticipation - a bit of oh to heck with you because now it feels that there will be another “aggressive” component to deal with.

Pk

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The WIFOM in front of me is tough. There are a couple of experienced players left in this game. I’d like to hear more from them why new scum wouldn’t take them out as opposed to letting them live and spreading their wisdom to us.

If this a stump question MTS then please ignore.

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[QUOTE=Nanook of the North Shore]
Where is everyone? Not a peep heard from peeker, pedescripe or fluiddruid in two days or more.

I’m worried that this mini-train on Blam and, to a lesser extent, MtS is a case of lynch the loud. There’s been a bit of history along those lines in games on this board that I’ve read, where the town lynches the people talking and scum skate by simply by not posting much. With only a few people posting at the moment and all the early vote leaders in that situation, I’m a little worried.

I would like to point out that after regularly posting and tossing around votes and suspicions, peekercpa hasn’t posted much since the day began. This strikes me as scum being told to tone it down by fellow scum overNight, since that was their first chance to communicate. Am I the only one feeling this at all? Any thoughts?
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I am not sure which FOS you get - Finger of suspicion (a bit) or Full of Shit (more). I’ve posted more in the last couple of hours than some in the last couple of days. Sometimes real life happens.

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And by unwarranted smart ass comment I meant mine not yours. You were spot on, :slight_smile:

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And Nanook of the North Shore I don’t think scum can communicate during the day.

Hey, Sach can scum talk during the day or is it only at night?

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[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]

So first **peeker’s **posting “all over the place” makes you suspicious. Then the next day his being quiet makes you suspicious. Guy can’t catch a break, I guess. Care to comment?
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The throwing around of suspicions caught my attention originally yes. You don’t think a sudden change in style, after our first Night when scum could communicate, is indicative of anything? If peeker had come out the same Today as he had Yesterday, I wouldn’t have said anything. In that case, it becomes a case of difference in style. But one of the few truly reliable scum tells I’ve noticed in prior games is a change in style. If you post and comment in one style for 2 or 3 games and you’re town in all of them, then in the next game you have a different style, the odds are pretty damn good you’re scum this time. What I was going for with peeker was applying that idea on a smaller scale.

But based on this and the sudden flurry of posts, it seems like I was wrong and there was no there there. So for now, I’ll

Unvote peekercpa

I have a dentist’s appointment where I’m getting a root canal done shortly. I’ll do a reread and see what I can find when I get back from it.