Nanook of the North Shore
Good luck on the root canal. I’ve got to have one next month so I’ll feel your pain in abstentia.
And I am traveling today so you suckers will have to deal with my ramblings for the next 8 hours or so while I try to distract myself from my terror of flying.
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And Nanook of the North Shore I don’t think scum can communicate during the day.
Hey, Sach can scum talk during the day or is it only at night?
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Scum communication occurs at Night and only at Night.
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
How does **WF Tomba **saying that “at least one” scum is experienced distract suspicion from newbies in general? It’s not like he was saying ALL scum are experienced. To then speculate that based on this one statement that all scum might be newbies is an incredible reach. And it only makes the barest lick of sense if WF Tomba is scum, yet you don’t vote or even FOS him.
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This game is about speculation and many times one statement is key.Is this that statement? I really don’t know, rarely are you gonna have a scum slip so bad its a slam dunk,so IMO, you have to read between the lines and try to figure out why things are said.Sometimes things that make the “barest lick” of sense turn out to make all the sense in the world in hindsight. I felt that particular statement needed to be pointed out.Is it enough to vote for WF? No it isn’t, since I am still set on fluiddruid for now. I don’t think you have to actually say FOS to get your FOS across,but if it makes ya feel better FOS WF Tomba.
[QUOTE=peekercpa]
The WIFOM in front of me is tough. There are a couple of experienced players left in this game. I’d like to hear more from them why new scum wouldn’t take them out as opposed to letting them live and spreading their wisdom to us.
If this a stump question MTS then please ignore.
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Not sure what a stump question is exactly,but I’ll give it a go.
My feeling is that new scum are afraid the Doc would protect one of the more experienced players.
BTW I really prefer to be called Mad. Thanks! 
Sach,when does the Day end?
[QUOTE=Sitnam]
Your suggestion that the Detective come out, when called on it you said you were being misinterpreted, but then you said it again, then I called you on it again and now your pretending you don’t know what I’m talking about.
So am I going to get the dismissive response or none at all?
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I know exactly what you are talking about.
My question was “do you think we should ask the detective to come out if he found scum”.
The way you are making it sound is I thought the detective should just come out and say “I’m the Detective!!” which would be ridiculous.
Nor was I asking the Detective to come out and say"I’m the Detective" even if he found scum.
I simply wanted to put out a scenario of “What If” and get thoughts on the matter. BM answered that question very nicely and I agree with his thoughts on the subject.
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine]
I know exactly what you are talking about.
My question was “do you think we should ask the detective to come out if he found scum”.
The way you are making it sound is I thought the detective should just come out and say “I’m the Detective!!” which would be ridiculous.
Nor was I asking the Detective to come out and say"I’m the Detective" even if he found scum.
I simply wanted to put out a scenario of “What If” and get thoughts on the matter. BM answered that question very nicely and I agree with his thoughts on the subject.
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I’ve been thinking about this a lot. Suggesting that the detective come out when the doctor’s gone would be just silly for a scum to do. It’d be such a blatant scum tell. Since MadTheSwine is not a total newbie, I can’t imagine him doing this if he was scum.
Motivation:
For scum, knowing who the doctor is at this point would be a huge advantage. So suggesting that he reveal himself/herself is a scum tell.
But any reasonable player would have to know that making such a suggestion would be blatantly obvious and would never work.
Furthermore, if the scum were adept at picking up subtle clues enough to read Queen as a power role then one would assume they would probably use that same adeptness to find the detective and stay in the shadows.
If I look at his statements from all different angles, it seems to me that the most likely motivation for what he said was what he claims; trying to start a discussion about when/if the detective should consider revealing themselves. I think I was thrown off by the awkwardness of it.
Unvote MadTheSwine
But like Blaster Master is fond of saying… You’ll be getting some scrutiny from me.
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine]
Not sure what a stump question is exactly,but I’ll give it a go.
My feeling is that new scum are afraid the Doc would protect one of the more experienced players.
BTW I really prefer to be called Mad. Thanks!
Sach,when does the Day end?
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Ok Mad it will be.
I’m still of the opinion that either the scum got really lucky with the QoT hit or, more likely, have someone a heck of a lot more perceptive then me in picking up on a power roll tell than me. 'Cause I sure didn’t see it, FCS I voted for her. Of course I can see how scum could also use that as condemnatory against me.
[QUOTE=Nanook of the North Shore]
The throwing around of suspicions caught my attention originally yes. You don’t think a sudden change in style, after our first Night when scum could communicate, is indicative of anything? If peeker had come out the same Today as he had Yesterday, I wouldn’t have said anything. In that case, it becomes a case of difference in style. But one of the few truly reliable scum tells I’ve noticed in prior games is a change in style. If you post and comment in one style for 2 or 3 games and you’re town in all of them, then in the next game you have a different style, the odds are pretty damn good you’re scum this time. What I was going for with peeker was applying that idea on a smaller scale.
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I agree that a sudden change in style could be indicative and is something to take note of (although in a non-recruitment game such as this, I think it is far less telling). However, I don’t think scum would be so incredibly obvious about it.
However, my problem is not that you noted a change in style, it’s that you were suspicious for too much posting, then suspicious for not enough posting (that’s a paraphrase). It appears from an outside perspective that you already have a conclusion and are shoehorning “evidence” into that conclusion.
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine]
Nor was I asking the Detective to come out and say"I’m the Detective" even if he found scum.
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Liar.
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine]
(from post #448)
If the Detective(assuming we have one) detected a scum last Night,do you think it would be a good idea to say so? 9-3 looks a helluva lot better than 8-4.
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The first sentence was a question, but the second sentence meant you already had an answer.
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine]
I simply wanted to put out a scenario of “What If” and get thoughts on the matter. BM answered that question very nicely and I agree with his thoughts on the subject.
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You can certainly change your mind and agreed with his thoughts on the matter, but just don’t pretend that was what you where saying from the start.
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine]
This game is about speculation and many times one statement is key.Is this that statement? I really don’t know, rarely are you gonna have a scum slip so bad its a slam dunk,so IMO, you have to read between the lines and try to figure out why things are said.Sometimes things that make the “barest lick” of sense turn out to make all the sense in the world in hindsight. I felt that particular statement needed to be pointed out.Is it enough to vote for WF? No it isn’t, since I am still set on fluiddruid for now. I don’t think you have to actually say FOS to get your FOS across,but if it makes ya feel better FOS WF Tomba.
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I do feel better, thanks! (But I still think you’re probably scum) 
I’d like to see your complete case against fluiddruid. She has pinged me a couple times, but not enough for a vote. Please convince me.
Koldanar has asked to be replaced.
Replacing Koldanar is NAF1138, who has a remarkably similar appearance to the now deceased Town Mayor, but I’m sure that’s just coincidence.
NAF will join you as soon as he is caught up with the thread.
Flipping Hell. Scum and Zombies. Welcome back to life, I think
NETA: Now I’ve got to work on the font thing.
Menocchio, Simpleton, lynched Day One
Queen of Town, Doctor, killed Night One
[QUOTE=sachertorte]
Koldanar has asked to be replaced.
Replacing Koldanar is NAF1138, who has a remarkably similar appearance to the now deceased Town Mayor, but I’m sure that’s just coincidence.
NAF will join you as soon as he is caught up with the thread.
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Hey all! Have you avenged me yet?
I haven’t read any of Day 2 yet (the Batman game got distracting) so I am proably going to be rather quiet while I catch up, but I will be ready to go come morning. I am disapointed in the low page count of this game thus far and plan to work on fixing that. 
See you in the A.M.
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
I agree that a sudden change in style could be indicative and is something to take note of (although in a non-recruitment game such as this, I think it is far less telling). However, I don’t think scum would be so incredibly obvious about it.
However, my problem is not that you noted a change in style, it’s that you were suspicious for too much posting, then suspicious for not enough posting (that’s a paraphrase). It appears from an outside perspective that you already have a conclusion and are shoehorning “evidence” into that conclusion.
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It’s not something in and of itself that would make me suspicious. It’s the change, combined with the fact that he’s a new player, combined with the fact that it occurred immediately after the first Night that scum got to talk. If this were Day 3 or 4, I wouldn’t have noticed it so much other than to say “Something must have come up.” As it is, peeker explained that something did come up, and has been acting more like he was Day 1 since, so I think we can safely write that thought process off as a null.
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine]
Your modkill suggestion was based on the false Info given about me lurking.It seemed to me that you were trying to get 2 easy kills before you even got to make a Night kill.
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You’re making that assessment based on the assumption that you’re Town and I’m Scum. As I’ve previously posted, two kills on Day 1 of people who are getting votes is basically a freebie for Town. I was basing this on information upthread that you hadn’t posted - I didn’t doublecheck it. Regardless, you were getting votes as it was and could have been lynchee. That’s where I was coming from.
Town’s only power is to lynch. Lynching is how we learn things and, in my opinion, getting a modkill for a high vote-getter is nearly as good (not as good, of course, because of the lack of voting record). Why? Because scum doesn’t have a chance to reciprocate with a night kill. It’s like if Town got to lynch their two highest vote receivers. This is a Town advantage, not a Scum advantage. I’m sure your math is good enough to figure that out.
Okay. Indulge me. Why is it important?
Of course not. You suggested we all discuss the Detective stepping forward. This is frankly more scummy than saying it outwards - hedging away from an idea is scum behavior, typically, in the same way hedging away from someone you’re voting for is scummy.
Of course. At the same time though we only have (presumably) one Detective. We’ve lost the Doctor. Why encourage the Detective to out themselves now? If the Detective is a newbie then you could very well have encouraged them to slip up by making this the topic of conversation - first thing on Day Two.
I’m not totally convinced you’re scum - if you’re scum, you’re playing ham-handedly. But you’re not playing a white as snow townie very well, just in my experience. Right now, the people who need to be worrying about who the Detective is are scum.
Just for the record - finding a scum hit so early is a tough call, but I don’t think the Detective should claim at all so early in the game. Detectives should try to leave records of suspicion in case of a night death, they shouldn’t out themselves except under extreme circumstances (like an imminent lynch).
[QUOTE=Sitnam]
fluiddruid, I’m pretty sure modkills aren’t even an option. If a mod determines that someone is severely lurking they will be replaced, not killed.
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I’m assuming you’re right at this point, but I’m simply arguing with MadTheSwine assessment that I was acting anti-Town (which I don’t feel that I am).
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I don’t disagree on any particular point with the lynch votes for MadTheSwine and Blaster Master, but I get a greater sense of ‘lynching the loud’ for at least BlaM. I did a quick tally and fluiddruid, WF Tomba and MindWanderer are standing in the back. Again, this isn’t scummy in and of itself but guys common, we really need your help and you’re doing yourselves no favors.
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Mondays are really difficult for me - busy day in my line of work - and my weekend was busier than normal. But I’ll do what I can today and going forward.
I agree with your reasoning here and this was my experience as being scum in the first game. You post, but you don’t want to post too much. One thing I’ve definitely observed is that while ‘lynch lurkers’ is almost always touted, it’s the high posters who seem to get a lot of votes through the game. The more you post, the more you ‘ping’ someone inadvertently or through some turn of phrase that is taken the wrong way. This is in no way a hard and fast rule but posting so much as a newbie is, I agree, townie behavior (and vanilla town at that) in my experience.
Sorry guys, I’m just getting overwhelmed both at work and school…no time for mafia till May!
This is definitely a possibility and I think it’s a pretty bad move for scum to be so blatant about fishing. That said, Mad has really pinged me through the whole game and I don’t have a better option at this point. I’ve read through several times and I haven’t seen anything more voteworthy.