Mafia: Simpletown

[Blaster_Master]

[QUOTE=bufftabby]
Yeah, prolific posting is such a scumtell. You got me. :rolleyes:
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Hey, can I borrow that strawman? I’m going to be planting a garden soon. :dubious:

Seriously though, prolificity (is that a word?) is not a scum tell. For that matter, neither is lurking. My reasoning is simply that scum will tend to seperate themselves, and this will tend to be an even distribution. As such, If we divide people based on post counts, you’re the ONLY unknown amongst the prolific posters. For votes, its similar, except the clusters are already made for us.

Besides, you DIDN’T address my point against you for your snuggling, or you votes, or your rehashing of other peoples ideas.

Well, I don’t know how much more I’ll be able to post before the Day ends, and it looks like I might get offed. So: when I turn up town, you guys take a look at who’s been pushing the vote against me. Seeing as how the three people who’ve voted for me or discussed voting for me (NAF, BlaM, pedescribe–plus RoOsh, unknown) are currently “confirmed town”, I’d be concerned that there’s something fishy going on there, like the worst-case-scenario fear expressed by RoOsh (who is either damn good at playing Town or is probably really Town). Maybe not. But these will be things you should consider if I am lynched. Don’t let me down, Town. I wanna win this thing, alive or dead!

This is irrelevant. In order for this to be true, NAF and I, as scum would have to have been sure enough that there wasn’t a detective to risk throwing away AT LEAST two of us on that gamble. It’s something I might expect in a LyLo situation, but not as things stand. We can’t be in a LyLo situation because that would mean there were originally 5 scum AND there was no Detective, which is HORRIBLY unbalanced in the favor of the scum. So, if you’re town, this just isn’t something that is supported by the facts at all, and if you’re scum, it’s simply fear-mongering.

[peekercpa]

I am still concerned that MindWander is going to get modkilled for lack of participation as well as for the reasons that others have laid out as well and what I have said.

Therefore:

Unvote Ryjae

Vote MindWanderer

[Blaster_Master]

[QUOTE=peekercpa]
I am still concerned that MindWander is going to get modkilled for lack of participation as well as for the reasons that others have laid out as well and what I have said.

Therefore:

Unvote Ryjae

Vote MindWanderer
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This has me thinking… if he’s going to be mod-killed and we’re going to have to lynch him anyway, where’s the disadvantage in allowing him to be mod-killed, even if we get no information about his role?

Let’s look at the scenarios:

If he is scum, and our lynchee today is scum, we can lynch Ryjae Tomorrow and just win.

If he is scum, and our lynchee today is not scum, we lynch Ryjae Tomorrow and we don’t win, BUT, because there’s 5 left with only 2 unknowns, we still get to lynch them both, and we win anyway.

If he isn’t scum, and our lynchee today is scum, we lynch Ryjae Tomorrow and can surmise he isn’t scum because the game is still going. This is basicaly the same as the above scenario.

If he isn’t scum, and our lynchee today isn’t scum, we still lynch Ryjae Tomorrow and we end up with two unknowns, 1 scum, and 3 confirmed. This is ALSO a win.

IOW, yes, we wouldn’t gain information, but it wouldn’t matter because it would essentially hand the game to Town. So, yeah, it’s a bit meta-gamey but, well, there you have it…

[ShadowFacts]

[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
This has me thinking… if he’s going to be mod-killed and we’re going to have to lynch him anyway, where’s the disadvantage in allowing him to be mod-killed, even if we get no information about his role?
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I want the information, personally.

Also, do we know that he hasn’t posted enough? It’s not a high bar to meet, and (without counting) I know he’s posted something toDay. I’d rather not go down this road.

[Blaster_Master]

[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
I want the information, personally.

Also, do we know that he hasn’t posted enough? It’s not a high bar to meet, and (without counting) I know he’s posted something toDay. I’d rather not go down this road.
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Agreed, I’d rather not any reasoning regarding his potential mod-kill be in play at all and, if it IS, for game continuity’s sake, it might make more sense just to poke him and let him stay.

[ToeJam]

I personally don’t like the “mod killing route” myself.

That said, I would totally support the Buffy vote, but right now I am more in doubt over Ryjae.
I’m glad to see others are looking at her, as she’s been damn suspicious to me this whole Day, but I think we should remove the one that ACTUALLY came up scummy- claim or not.

I’d rather get him and spread his guts out, and THEN look at Bufftabby tomorrow. But if people want to support this lynch from the unknowns sorta thing :Shrug: I could vote for her more easily than the other two.

Also, I’ve got an exam this friday, so i will be absent pretty much today/tommorrow, but I should be back on Saturday or maybe even Friday night. Take care till then!

[bufftabby]

SF, yes yes, just one vote (look! A mini-train!) but discussion is leading in my direction somewhat, and Buff’s got a bad feeling about toDay. Besides, you just need the wood to nail up the next one!

BlaM, when I addressed the snuggling earlier, I stated that I don’t see anything wrong with it in the context I’ve been doing it. If I’m not scum, it’s not a scumtell. I’m not going to stop just because some other player says I ought to.

There’s not anything wrong with my votes, either. I explained them when I made them. If those explanations aren’t sufficient, that’s unfortunate. I don’t really have anything else to add. And on the bit with “other people’s ideas”: I was unaware that no two people could share the same ideas. I guess I’ve been ripping off people for years. And as for the “fear-mongering”, you can feel free to disregard my advice, just as I have ignored others’. Everyone else can make that decision for themselves as well. As long as we get some information out of this next lynch, even if it’s my own lynch, hopefully Town will still come out on top.

[Blaster_Master]

[QUOTE=bufftabby]
BlaM, when I addressed the snuggling earlier, I stated that I don’t see anything wrong with it in the context I’ve been doing it. If I’m not scum, it’s not a scumtell. I’m not going to stop just because some other player says I ought to.
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Yes, you addressed the snuggling, but the fact that you keep doing it is either pure thickheadedness, or it’s actually because you’re trying to accomplish something. If you really ARE townie, then you have to admit that no one here has any real reason to believe you are just because you say so. Going “it’s not a scum tell because I’m not scum” is circular reasoning. If you’re really townie then, up until Today, you’ve had no reason to trust me so much either. In fact, as I said before, I was deliberately treading the line between townie and scummy and the seeming lack of suspicion in me seems more indicative of perfect information than of good instincts.

There’s not anything wrong with my votes, either. I explained them when I made them. If those explanations aren’t sufficient, that’s unfortunate. I don’t really have anything else to add. And on the bit with “other people’s ideas”: I was unaware that no two people could share the same ideas. I guess I’ve been ripping off people for years. And as for the “fear-mongering”, you can feel free to disregard my advice, just as I have ignored others’. Everyone else can make that decision for themselves as well. As long as we get some information out of this next lynch, even if it’s my own lynch, hopefully Town will still come out on top.

Well, I’m asking you to re-explain your votes, give us more details. I found your vote for Mad on Day Two suspicious which is why I linked it. You specifically say you think it’s mostly OMGUS stuff, but then go on to vote for him anyway. The whole thing reads like you made up your mind on who you’re voting for then you’re trying to decide a reason for it, rather than the other way around.

If you really are town, and you really want to win, then you also know that this isn’t helping, because if you’re not lynched Today, you’ll be lynched Tomorrow. Give us reasons to trust you, and help us find out who else we should be voting for. If you’re really townie, then you have a 2/3 chance of finding scum amongst MindWanderer, Nanook, and RoOsh.

[Blaster_Master]

Anyone out there? We have about 1 hour to decide. I would really much prefer a bufftabby or MindWanderer lynch over Ryjae.

[peekercpa]

When does the day end?

I am content leaving my vote where it currently is (about 45%) or moving it back to RyJaye (55%) if there is no universal concensus amongst the probable townies.

[Blaster_Master]

I’d rather see MindWanderer swing than Ryjae, for the reasons I stated earlier in the Day. If that’s the case, I’ll move my vote to him.

[Nanook_of_the_North_Shore]

Sach, can we get an updated vote count?

[ShadowFacts]

[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
Anyone out there? We have about 1 hour to decide. I would really much prefer a bufftabby or MindWanderer lynch over Ryjae.
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As I said earlier, if we can get at least 4/5 of the “confirmed” to agree on a target, I will go with that target. If not, I’m defaulting to RyJae. So, with one hour to go, and 3 of us on MindWanderer, I guess it’s up to you if you want to change your bufftabby vote or not.

[Blaster_Master]

Fair enough…

Unvote bufftabby
Vote MindWanderer

[NAF1138]

I am on MindWanderer also, so that’s 4 out of our 5 with 20 minutes to go. I think that makes MindWanderer the lynchee.

[Trepa_Mayfield]

For those people clamoring for a mod-kill: It is my opinion that a mod-kill is worse than nothing, or a lynch, in this game. Because we don’t get information from the kill, we are left pondering in the dark. Was he scum? Can we breathe easy, or is the mafia breathing down our necks? What if we lost the doctor/detective/otherpowerrole? The information loss is, in my opinion, enormous, and I would not recommend pestering the mod into action (not that anyone’s done that).

[ShadowFacts]

[QUOTE=pedescribe]
For those people clamoring for a mod-kill: It is my opinion that a mod-kill is worse than nothing, or a lynch, in this game. Because we don’t get information from the kill, we are left pondering in the dark. Was he scum? Can we breathe easy, or is the mafia breathing down our necks? What if we lost the doctor/detective/otherpowerrole? The information loss is, in my opinion, enormous, and I would not recommend pestering the mod into action (not that anyone’s done that).
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No worries - he’s on the gallows now, so we’ll get the info. (I agree with you, though - the info is absolutely invaluable at this point).

[ShadowFacts]

[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
No worries - he’s on the gallows now, so we’ll get the info. (I agree with you, though - the info is absolutely invaluable at this point).
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NETA: pedescribe, if you have no objections to a MW lynch, would you mind changing your vote to him? By my count, he is only 1 vote ahead of RyJae, so it’s possible a scummy MW could come in at the last second and force a tie, which wouldn’t be the end of the world, but better to avoid that if possible.

[Trepa_Mayfield]

@NAF1138

But I am not 100% sure who peeker and Pede are leaning towards (or who they have voted for, but I think they both have a vote on RyJae. I could be wrong)

I am most suspicious of MindWanderer and bufftabby, but I’d rather see what happens when RyJae dies than try for the numerical advantage. I am suspicious of mindwanderer because he hasn’t posted much (yes, I am aware of the irony) or much substance. bufftabby…I have no evidence on, but I have an extreme gut feeling for her.

[Nanook_of_the_North_Shore]

[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
NETA: pedescribe, if you have no objections to a MW lynch, would you mind changing your vote to him? By my count, he is only 1 vote ahead of RyJae, so it’s possible a scummy MW could come in at the last second and force a tie, which wouldn’t be the end of the world, but better to avoid that if possible.
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I’m here, and since I was the one that outlined the case against him, I’ll do it. It’s only fair after all that I put my money where my mouth is.

Unvote Ryjae
Vote Mindwanderer