Agh… NM, I’m a doofus, it started yesterday, not Wednesday; you’re right.
On a re-reading I’m not sure if there is enough for me to be comfortable voting for someone. There are a few things that stick out though.
It is noticeable that Idle Thoughts played up his experience with the game. In the first game, the player who did that was killed fairly quickly. Saying it would be “flattering” to be killed first (post264), doesn’t really help the town much, as the analysis from an experienced player would be more useful when there was more to go on. If he was mafia he could be certain that he wouldn’t be killed, but then again the mafia might not kill him if he was a townie and leave us to waste a lynch on a valuable resource.
Projammer in post 223 suggests forcing roleclaims, which is a bad thing for the town. He also suggested voting for Lemur for reasons like “Ringtail” (Post 207), which ignores the two dodgy actions Lemur had already taken. (Lemur’s mafia post early on about numbers, and his suggestion of “shooting the breeze” post 202 which is less likely to produce information than voting patterns which can be checked.)
Lemur866 for the two reasons above.
DarksideCookies looks suspicious for a few comments - kicking off the game by mentioning going fishing (Post 170)? What for, something to wrap in newspaper and leave in a citizen’s bed? More importantly, using random.org (post 201) when 8 votes were already in play - there should have been something to go on better than random.org by the point that post was made.
On the other hand, when Lightnin’ accused someone else of having an itchy trigger finger, and immediately votes for them it is funny, but I’m not sure what it signifies for his allegiences.
FOS Idle Thought and Lemur866
If you’re referencing to post #161, that’s 8:35 AM Eastern, right?
Rachm Qoch:
I don’t think so. I made that post at 10:35 a.m. Eastern Standard Time (I had to wait until at least 9:00 to see if percussion had responded, and then it took a little while after that to get the ducks in a row), and game days are four real-time days long.
Right?
quick division Ninety-six divided by four, carry the one… Yeah.
Day One ends at 10:35 a.m. Eastern Standard Time on Monday.
Please have mercy on me, oh mighty and powerful moderator, but don’t you really mean 10:35 A.M Eastern Daylight Time? 10:35 EST would be 11:35 EDT at the moment.
You know something? Screw it. unvote DiggitCamara, vote NAF1138. I don’t really care how suspicious it might appear to change my vote, but I’ve been noticing how free Naf seems to be with the suspicion himself. Is it defensive? Most likely- and what’s wrong with that? It seems to me that offense is a lot more suspicious than defense, and Naf has been fairly offensive. Uh, so to speak.
I’m also more than a little suspicious of people who say that someone’s being too defensive when he defends himself. It seems to me that’s just looking for an excuse for a hangin’.
Is there a way we can get a thread archive hosted offline somewhere? With the hamsters as crotchety as they are, it kinda makes it hard to look up someone’s posting record.
tirial,
I’m impressed by your first post. I agree with most of what you have to say, and, did mild FOS DarkSide for the same issue - but not seeing anything else at this point. You have some good scum candidates there though.
Since it’s a slow day at work, I took the opportunity to reread the entire thread and take some notes. My thoughts:
I have to agree with NAF on Lightnin. He voted for NAF in post 189, was FOS’d over it in post 227 by dnooman (who hasn’t pinged my scumdar yet) and then promptly retracted it in post 232. I’ve found his posts on this page to lack any real value - I don’t expect him to explain away his actions more, but he has done little to root out scum or to give us any real leads.
Second on my list was Kyrie Eleison. He too voted for NAF and there is something about this post that really rings wrong for me. I truly don’t see why he’s trying to bring up Mason strategy here - is he trying to lay the groundwork for a future role claim? Omi no Kami said he suspected Kyrie prior to that, but didn’t give a reason - Omi, if you have more, please share.
I’m not ready to vote yet but feedback on the above would be much obliged.
Also on my list, but only barely, are nesta, who has not really posted too much about posters, just mostly about strategy, as well as Rachm Qoch, and SnakeCatLady (without looking at the player list) for simply not posting that much. I’d very much like to hear their thoughts at this point.
Really? Huh. I never knew there was a difference, but you’re right.
Learn something new every day!
Yes, the day ends on Monday at 10:35 a.m. my time. 
All right, based on a few recent posts (in the last hour) that I probably don’t have to explain, I’m going to unvote Millit the Frail and vote Lightnin’
Explaination anyway: He seems like he’s sweating bullets just being under observation and having a vote against him and has continually changed his colors accordingly just to get the heat off. Too shaky and far too defensive. Plus he’s been on my radar a bit from the start but I had him at a low level. But yeah, based on his posts of today, I’m going to vote him and probably stand by it unless someone all of 'fesses they’re scum or posts something illrefutable.
Another newbie question.
What’s the problem with editing posts?
Not going to argue about it. Just curious.
Top of the Page Vote Count
2 – Lightnin’ (NAF1138, Idle Thoughts)
2 – NAF1138 (Hal Briston, Lightnin’)
1 – ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (DiggitCamara)
1 – fluiddruid (Omi No Kami)
1 – DiggitCamara (percypercy)
1 – Lemur866 (Projammer)
1 – nesta (ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)
Hmmm. Anyone notice fluiddruid seems a liiiitle bit too obsequious there? Trying to curry favor? What’s up with that?
And Lightnin’ seems too angry responding to NAF1138. I know it’s a tossup whether to respond to an accusation or not, but there’s no point in getting upset over an accusation. And then there’s the whole defensiveness over being called to defensive meta thing.
On my “clean” list is NAF1138. Aggressive early play is likely to get you killed from both sides, but after you’re dead your actions become posthumously validated. Townsfolk can win by sacrificing their lives for the greater good, scum can’t. Going balls-out like he’s doing is too risky for a mafiosi for no benefit.
Projammer:
It gives people an opportunity to craft their posts to appear less (or more) suspicious after the fact. Players have to look for clues however they can, and particular phrasings or verbal slip-ups are often very helpful (ask nesta how she (?) got outed as Mafia last game). Editing allows people to cover their tracks.
Um, no I didn’t. Post #189 was a post by Kyrie Eleison voting for Naf. My first post was #193, in reaction to DiggitCamara’s vote to lynch ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies.
and I retracted it in #232 after reading the reasons for why the first day’s so darn random.
Of course, between my initial vote and my retraction thereof, NAF1138 used my post as a reason to FOS me. It seems to me that if anyone’s been flinging around the accusations, it’s Naf- check his history. That’s why I voted for Naf in #346, and I stand by that vote.
I would imagine the mason strategy would be to try to identify the roles of non-masons and then attempt to manipulate the vote to reduce the townies and mafia at about the same rate until they outnumbered the remaining townies and then focus on mafia.
That wasn’t me advocating role claims. It was an observation of actions from the other two games. Early in the games when people were making their final posts a lot of them were claiming roles. I agree that roles should be kept secret as long as possible. Outting the watchman, detective, or doc early in the game would be devastating. Outting the do-gooders render them to nothing more than townies with fancy names. The mafia would know not to try to recruit them.
Voting Lemur for having a striped tail was to have something a bit less bland than random.org
Simple question. What does Top of the Page mean? It’s not on the top of my page. I think it only applies if the user has the posts per page settings on “Default”.
But here’s the thing. Flinging accusations isn’t suspicious. Yeah, like I said before, it’s liable to get you killed. And once you’re dead, all your secrets are revealed. If NAF is scum, he’s being really dumb, because he’s likely to end up dead and revealed as mafia pretty soon, and that benefits the mafia not at all. But if he’s flinging crap and calling attention to himself and is town, his death can still benefit the honest citizens.
Note that this doesn’t mean I think his early accusation of you is neccesarily correct, it’s very likely to be incorrect, only (5+/-N)/20 likely to be correct. Just that he himself is probably clean.
Ack, you are correct, it looks like I had columns mixed up slightly with Kyrie in my notes. In any case it was your backing down almost immediately when FOS that I found odd, and your recent posts. (Beginning to see why spreadsheets are a good idea…)
NAF has been pushing a lot of buttons - that’s true. So have I. I never said flinging accusations was necessarily a bad thing and I stand by that. I would rather get things out in the open. Making few accusations and having no suspicions is the sign of a weak townie or scum. Either a small loss or a gain to lynch. He’s on a lot of trust lists and I tend to agree. I would assume scum attempts to lynch wouldn’t be so scattershot.
The two greatest words in the English language! De Fault! De Fault!
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And here I thought I was being all clever with the vote counts at the top of my (unfashionably) defaulted pages. 