Yeah, I was the one who asked. Thanks for the response, too. FWIW, I didn’t find your response at all suspicious, despite later using it to illustrate a point. I had also displayed some confusion about the matter.
BTW, since it’s come up a few times, I’m male. I point this out just to save some of you the trouble of type “he/she.” I’ll happily respond to pronouns of either gender in the future, without further correction.
I’m glad to see the Lightnin’ band wagon has died down. Yes, he looks really scummy with a lot of those posts, but as I’d said earlier, and others pointed out, I’m attributing that to inexperience, not to being mafia.
OTOH percypercy, is looking suspicious to me, because she is engaging in some of the same behaviors, but without the over-defensiveness that Lightnin’ has put on. In post 448 she votes for Projammer, not until afterward in post 453 does she try to sound reasonable asking for his defense. Then she goes on in post 465 to discuss her unvote of DiggitCamera because she didn’t have enough information.
So let me get this straight. In these three posts, you claim you voted for Projammer because he’s “trying to be slick” and only ask him to explain himself AFTER you vote to lynch him. All the while, you had originally unvoted another because you “needed more information”. If that was the case, shouldn’t you have asked Projammer to explain himself before you voted for him? This looks to me like you voted for him because you saw a bandwagon knowing he’s not mafia and only afterward realized you failed to give a good reason and tried to repair it.
Whatever you’re selling… I’m not buying it. Lynch percypercy.
dnooman
Regardless of how any of these turns out, we need to look at the whole voting pattern, accusers, defenders and bandwagonees. Lets be honest here - we don’t have much to go on and the more information we can get the better. Its also possible for a mason to bandwagon a townie, mafia to bandwagon a townie or townies to defend townies. Nothing really makes sense unless the whole picture is used.
I’m sticking with my vote for percypercy (post 464) because I still want to hear her analysis, and the vote is the only tool I have to get her contribution. I’m not the only person thinking like this - Post 433, Post 493. Asking nicely doesn’t work - Post 465 and her votes aren’t always explained - Post [)]502](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8495586&postcount=502[/url). I have asked this before and she has outright refused. (Post 465). DiggitCamera has also requested this (Post 433) with no more success.
What is really nudging my scumdar for percypercy are the constant requests for information without providing much, and the instant early vote for Diggit, without providing an FOS and then claiming it doesn’t mean anything (Post 233). Voting for Projammer without providing her own arguments, and asking for a defense later (How do you defend “Too slick” by the way?) doesn’t help. I have FOS’d Projammer but I’ve given reasons. And in Post 374 you say you certainly weren’t absent, but in Post 362 said you were at your niece’s teaparty and in 421 you have an incredibly low post count.
(On the other hand, if a citizen is getting votes because they aren’t contributing and have been told repeatedly by multiple posters this is not good for the town and their response is to carry on as they were and not acknowledge the concerns raised - that really pings my scumdar.)
I will be honest and say I’m not sure if percypercy is scum, but no real information has been provided from her posts (except voting patterns, but these all seem to be jumping on bandwagons). If she’s scum, then we loose nothing and gain past votes/FOS material. If she’s town we loose a townie who posts no new information or analysis.
I am swinging towards inexperienced player in Lightnin’s case because he defended himself so frantically. Also, he is contributing more to the thread in general which can only be useful in establishing voting patterns. I’d have expected a mafia player to be less concerned because they can talk to others and get advice, but then I remembered they can only talk at night, so that doesn’t really help.
However Lightnin’, you still haven’t provided your attribution for the Johnny Dangerously quote.
You raise some good points here. This is the first game of mafia I’ve ever participated in, so I’m going to try and convince you that most of my problems are newbie f**kups.
The mason bit: I honestly misunderstood the win condition, and was hoping that somebody would either agree with my read or correct me. I’m a lot happier now that I know the masons and town can win together.
The NAF bit: the “almost certain” bit was just me being too assertive in my ideas. Despite reading the other two games I didn’t grasp how much (valid!) scrutiny and nitpicking was directed at each post, and I’m actively trying to be more cautious in how I phrase things these days.
The large pull of “suspicious” folks: I’m not the slightest bit certain about you, Caerie, or anyone else. When I accused both of you, I was looking at the following conundrum: I couldn’t figure out a gosh darn thing from people’s posts, but I knew that silence only benefits scum, and even if I turned out to be wrong it was better to make some noise and see how people responded. As such, I was basically accusing both of you in order to stir up some sh*t and see where things landed. As saturday and sunday have gone on I’ll admit that the scuminess my gut read into your posts has gone down considerably, but I’m still cautious.
On the same note, I’m a little lost as to what I should think about CaerieD. She defended herself very reasonably, which would lead me to take her off my radar, but as I’ve mentioned before the sudden, in my view overzealous scrutiny I got from a very small number of players (I’m about to re-read that section to get some names) makes me wonder if my randomly scrutinizing two people in quick succession (CaerieD, Kyrie) didn’t step on somebody’s toes. I’m gonna take a quick break and figure out exactly who came down on me over the CaerieD piece, but in general when one person accuses another, it seems like most of the uninvolved players sit back for a bit and watch what happens. To get instant feedback from a small number of people makes me think that I may’ve blundered into an organized group, which could’ve been a good or a bad thing.
Ok, I reviewed things and it doesn’t look much like a coordinated conspiracy. For the record, if any of the people involved in the CaerieD thing were actively allied with each other my money would be on **CaerieD, Rachm Qoch, ** and Kyrie Eleison working together.
But for now, I just don’t see it. It looks less like a conspiracy, and more like a few people trying to figure out whether my mischaracterizations of Fluid were honest mistakes or attempts to get someone lynched.
So for now I’m gonna unvote Kyrie Eleison , and wait to see what tomorrow brings.
Out of the four in the Projammer debacle, percypercy is looking the most suspicious to my right now. Blaster Master’s analysis with the links to some of her posts in the thread finally nails exactly what it is that’s suspicious there. Looks more like percypercy was looking to vote and then figure out why she voted later. Switching votes to join a sudden bandwagon also makes me wonder.
Then again, I’m not really all that certain of Blaster Master’s innocence, based on some of his earlier posts. If percypercy turns out to be town, I’m going to be looking really hard at Blaster Master and NAF both.
But, since I’m more suspicious of percypercy than anyone else, I’m going to unvote Omi no Kami and vote percypercy.
This post is three things
a) A bump - and an attempt to get things moving again.
b) a request for an updated vote count.
c) an apology as if I survive today I won’t be around much during the day Tuesday since I’m offsite with limited internet access (Blasted real-life job interfering with gameplay <grumble>).
On a side note I make the current vote count:
Counting from 477 I make it:
5 – percypercy (DiggitCamara, tirial, fluiddruid, dnooman, Blaster Master)
3 – **Omi No Kami ** (Rachm Qoch, Kyrie Eleison, CaerieD)
3 – Projammer (nesta, NAF1138, percypercy)
2 – **Lightnin’ ** (Projammer, Millit)
2 – NAF1138 ( Lightnin’)
1 – CaerieD (Lemur866)
1 – **nesta ** (ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)
1 – Millit (Idle Thoughts)
1 – DarkSideCookies (Hal Briston)
1 – DiggitCamara (Snakescatlady)
Dropped off:
0 – Idle Thoughts
0 – Kyrie Eleison
Please could percypercy post something before the end of the day? As stated my vote is based on lack of information, and I will withdraw it if you can persuade me I am wrong, or provide useful analysis.
(On preview CaerieD has just voted, so that is 6 on percypercy and 2 on Omi no Kami.)
Updated Vote Count
6 – percypercy (DiggitCamara, tirial, fluiddruid, dnooman, Blaster Master, CaerieD)
3 – Projammer (nesta, NAF1138, percypercy)
2 – Lightnin’ (Projammer, Millit the Frail)
2 – Omi No Kami (Rachm Qoch, Kyrie Eleison)
1 – NAF1138 (Lightnin’)
1 – ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (Hal Briston)
1 – Millit the Frail (Idle Thoughts)
1 – DiggitCamara (SnakesCatLady)
1 – CaerieD (Lemur866)
1 – nesta (ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)
Approximately an hour before the sun sets.
Okay… I’m not following your logic here. You’re going to FOS me and NAF if she turns up town? You agree with my logic for why I voted for percypercy, and** NAF ** isn’t even voting for her. I know you won’t have time to respond before the day ends, but this takes you from “likely town” to “???” in my book.
Okay… I’m not following your logic here. You’re going to FOS me and NAF if she turns up town? You agree with my logic for why I voted for percypercy, and** NAF ** isn’t even voting for her. I know you won’t have time to respond before the day ends, but this takes you from “likely town” to “???” in my book.
AGH! Sorry for the double post. I swear I clicked the post button at 10:31, and it spun forever. I got a “database error”, and then, I see two identical posts… lovely. 
I think the site went down for a few minutes, because I lost connection to it completely here.
I figured the same. I was just concerned because I was trying to squeeze in one more strategic post before the day ended and I missed.
So it looks like **percypercy ** went down.
Oh great and powerful Gad, can we do the examination and find out if she was town or not?
I am going to the bar to await the results.
If she is mafia the first round is on me!
Early this morning, in anticipation of the day’s debate, some enterprising soul from the next town over set up a refreshments and souvenir stand on the edge of the Village Green. The giant foam Fingers of Suspicion have done particularly brisk business; for only $5.95, they’re a bargain at twice the price. But now the sun hangs low in the sky and the vendor, sensing the gathering of tension among the townspeople, has hastily packed up his wares and headed for safer ground. And not a moment too soon: the level-headed and rational discussion that predominated during the day has given way to a nervous muttering throughout the crowd. Despite (or perhaps because of) the generally civil atmosphere, whereby calm analysis followed calm analysis and townspeople voiced their suspicions articulately and with open minds, the town is a long, long way from consensus. The option of lynching nobody was considered and quickly discarded at the beginning of the day. Now night is closing in, and something has to be done. Someone must be targeted, if only for the sake of some concrete piece of information. Picking up on the most recent line of inquiry, a dozen eyes alight upon percypercy, who has tried to make herself unobtrusive. A dozen hands seize her, and the rest of the town quickly disassociates itself with the vigilante action, clumping into small groups at the other end of the lynch mob and discussing in over-loud voices the dramatic events of last night’s Amazing Race. Shuttled helplessly in the midst of her six accusers towards the waiting gibbet, percypercy has no chance even to offer a word or two in her own defense before she is strung up and let drop with brutal, implacable speed. She does not suffer.
percypercy, a citizen, has been lynched. The night has now begun.
Damn.
The Mafia may now discuss amongst themselves.
The Doctor, the Detective, and the Night Watchman may PM me to exercise their respective powers.
The night will end on Wednesday at 11:11 a.m. my time, or whenever all instructions have been submitted.
Citizen. Great. Wonderful. <sarcasm off>
And she’d rather die than post info, analysis or contribute to the town? WTF?
<shakes head>
I’m getting drunk. Anyone want to join me?
Updated player list:
Alive:
Dead:
Players from the reserve list posted previously will be subbed in as needed.
Sigh. Well, that was disappointing. Assuming we both survive the night, I’ll explain myself better on Day 2, Blaster Master. Unfortunately, I didn’t get a chance to respond before night fell.