In a way I hate to do this, because I don’t really want to be the tiebreaker, but I am going to go ahead and cast my vote. I am hoping that posts after this will give me evidence to either change my mind or to feel more comfortable about my vote.
vote Lightnin’.
Well, if I understand the rules correcty from Monday morning on, he’ll still have 12 hours to defend himself.
And you’ll have to post a bit more to forestall the same fate for tomorrow (unless your psychic cat protects you 
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Reading this thread and catching up today is akin to watching a tennis match. It’s like my head is going back and forth reading the exchanges even though it’s just staying in one position.
It’s brought a couple things to light though, most important being, my suspicion on Lightnin’ is slipping. This is due both to the posts he’s making in his defense (which sound geniune), plus the fact that he’s starting to garner more votes and being piled on. One of them (most recently voted) is Millit the Frail, who was fading from my radar but popped up on it again with the vote. S/He hasn’t really been involved much and is seemingly staying in the background…however I haven’t seen many posts with claims of real life going ons.
I tend to look at the vote updates for long periods of time and work out, based on who is currently voting for who, who I think is scum and not.
It seems probable that those with more than two votes have to have SOME scum voting for them, as they’ve got to be trying to subtle bump townies off in the day. And of all of the people voting for the three who have the most votes two of them are shady to me (the previously mentioned Millit the Frail and now percypercy due to things others pointed out in posts 461 (by dnoorman) and 470 (by nesta).
What this one? Post 193:
Yesssss… I’ve never seen the film, but wikipedia and the IMDB attribute it…I take it you don’t remember who says it most, or you wouldn’t have quoted it.
If you are an innocent townie, why would you think that posting that was a good idea? Quoting the Godfather might have appeared more innocent.
Please provide your attribution.
Actually after a few moments reflection I will say I’m not comfortable with the Lighnin’ bandwagon (and apologise for mangling your username in the post above).
If I said the quote issue is just too obvious, and the bandwagon seems to have gained a lot of votes very quickly. We don’t really have anything to compare his reaction to, to see whether its innocent townie or frantic scum. Has anyone else been under a similar bandwagon in this game for comparison?
Crap. This Lightning bandwagon is wrongheaded. Sure he seemed to get upset when people targeted him, but…but…I’m convinced a scum would try to play it cooler. It rings false to me as the action of a Mafiosi.
But in order to head off the Lightning lynch, we’ve got to pick someone else, and that means bandwagoning on one of the people who have three votes already, compared to Lightning’s five. And honestly, I don’t feel any strong difference between Projammer and Omi No Kami and Lightning.
DiggitCamara:
You don’t understand the rules correctly. 
The day ends on Monday at 10:35 a.m. my time no matter what, and the leading vote-getter gets sent to the gallows at that instant. The 12-hour window for the lynchee to mount a defense is only to safeguard against the day ending early before everyone (particularly the person getting lynched) has had a chance to get their oar in…that’s what happened on Day One of the second game.
To sum up: the 12-hour window does not, and cannot, run over the amount of time allotted for the day itself.
This is turning out well I think. I’m happy with my vote for Lightnin’ even if he sadly turns out to be a townie. Why? Because he has been accused and defended to some degree by a decent number of people. For example, the most recent posts by Lemur866 and tirial. This gives us tons of info when and if he swings.
If he’s scum, yay for us, one down. If he’s town, we can look back at who was defending him openly. The only people who know who the townies are are the mafia, it would be wise for them to have “taken the high ground” before we lynch an innocent townie. Obviously the masons know who each other are too.
nesta has been making some very solid assessments IMO. My FOS remains pointed at Projammer.
Thanks, Gadarene, for your clarification.
Well, since it seems I won’t be connecting again 'til after dawn, and in case I end up sleeping with the fishes, I offer you my top 5 “FOS”-ers (you know, the whole "non-discussion thing during the night):
And, for what it’s worth: “Doctor heal thyself”, at least for during the first night. After all (hopefully) the mafia don’t know who the Doctor is, and we don’t want to lose him/her during the first night.
I agree with the first part of your post but not the second. I feel unvoting him is the best course (at least in my interests) but putting it on another person with as many votes (especially being that the other two with about as many votes aren’t pinging my “shady” meter) isn’t something I’d feel right to rush into.
So in all interest, and pending further notice, I’m going to unvote Lightnin’ and put my vote again on Millit the Frail. Not only has s/he appeared on my radar again due to my explaination in post #483 but s/he doesn’t have any votes as of yet anyway (thus I have no suspicions of fellow scum voters bandwagoning).
So Lightnin’ is the big target about now (although on preview I see that is fading). That’s bothersome to me for one purely selfish reason – he and I are the only ones who have a vote in for NAF. If Lightnin’ does wind up being the one to swing, and we find he was scum, then I sure as hell don’t want that kind of “guilt by association” stench on me.
Well, I said last time that while I still have my suspicions about NAF, they have been fading a bit. Put it all together, and I unvote NAF1138.
I can’t be certain I’ll be online before final voting time, so just in case, I’m going to throw in a vote for ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies for the reasons I gave in Post 429 (calling non-suspicious behavior suspicious seems rather suspicious to me).
Hopefully I’ll be able to jump on between dropping my daughter off at day care and the final vote, just in case something comes up to convince me otherwise.
I just can’t give any support to voting against Lightnin’ . If he turns up dirty, my instincts(and cat) were wrong, but for now, he seems defensive when accused which has only raised more suspicion in some people. It’s a vicious circle he’s riding on. I suspect there would have been another, even more suspicion-raising explanation, if he’d kept his cool.
-Lil
I’m a girl, I promise
Well I’ve been away for most of the weekend but seem to be caught up on reading.
While we have I think some leads on several scum candidates, I think I am going to have to agree that percypercy hasn’t really given us a lot to work with and is seemingly going out of his way to avoid giving his opinions. IMHO, someone who only posts fluff is either scum trying to avoid a voting/FOS trail and people poring through his old posts for info, or, a less valuable townie contributor.
Though I have pointed out suspicion for several others, this to me seems like the least loss to the team should it be an incorrect vote. Since odds are stacked against us on this vote, vote percypercy for now. Though, I’ll be interested to see how percypercy and Lightnin’ both participate in the remaining time. What’s holding me back is I think odds are much better that Lightnin’ has a power role compared to percypercy and frankly a bad loss the first round could kill our chances given how few truly valuable power roles we have… but, based on all I’ve read, I can’t disagree that Lightnin’ has a bigger reek of scum to me.
sorry I have to post from my phone again. My girlfriends car was vandelized and I spent most of the day dealing with that. So once again the coding will suckm the spelling will suck, the formatting may get hinkey, and no quotes. Sorry about that. I will try to make a better post when I get home from the theater tonight.
As far as Lightnin’ goes:
With every post he goes from seeming very scummy to seeming very inexperienced. I am too confused by him at this point to be able to vote for him. But I FOS him strongly still.
As to him thinking I am trying to distance myself from starting his band wagon, all I can say is I don’t think anyone is going to forget my involvment in that one.
I also stand by my vote for Projammer, and the fact that nesta agrees with me and that we both saw scummy thing independantly of each other makes me feel even better about it. I am sticking with that vote.
Bloody hell. The thought that Lightnin’ might be a mason occurred to me. If he is, and the other masons were those that were defending him, we’re in deep shit.
Unvote Lightnin’
On preview, I have to admit that fluiddruid makes a good point.
vote percypercy
Well, hell. I had not thought about Lightnin’ possibly being a mason, which could explain others defending him. I don’t think I want to risk that this early in the game.
Unvote Lightnin’. My FOS is still waving in his general direction.
My FOS has also waved at percypercy, but if I vote for her now I look like I’m jumping on the bandwagon, so I don’t want to do that.
Even though I have tried to explain why I haven’t posted a lot, DiggitCamera still keeps trying to get folks focused on me. I can’t understand why he keeps doing this, so I’m going to [color blue]vote DiggitCamera[/color].
Since I can’t edit, that would be:
vote DiggitCamera.
FWIW, I shared ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies’s suspicions of you as well, until Gadarene’s explanation and the brief exchange after.
What apparently looked to you like an innocent question (ie randomization of roles) to me looked suspicious. I figured it was understood that roles weren’t hand-picked, and that you were trying to make yourself look dumb by pretending not to know that.
If you go back and read Gadarene’s response in post #408, he states that he too was surprised you even asked that question. But as we learned in the next few posts, not all games are run the same. Actually, I was surprised me to hear Idle Thoughts say that he/she runs games with non-random roles.
Point being, I don’t think ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies’s suspicions were unwarranted at the time, so I don’t really think you need to be all that suspicious of her suspicions.
Now that I’m back from playing hooky over the weekend, having just finished watching the Sopranos (I’m calling it homework for the game now; I had that Tony fellow as mob from the beginning, so it must be working.) With less than 12 hours on the clock, I figure I ought to offer some review of my somewhat-too-exuberant vote, the tone of which I am blaming on playing Wii and drinking Rock Art Brewery’s Midnight Madness until far too early into Saturday morning.
While I’m sure it came across as something of an OMG you voted for me thing, Omi first caught my attention in post #280, where he says:
NAF got three votes early on. However, Omi is “almost sure” that scum are behind it, which leads me to believe that he’s also almost sure that NAF is town. He’s hardly likely to be sure that scum tried to bandwagon scum, right? This is a level of certainty regarding NAF’s alignment that I just don’t see. Yes, NAF1138 has posted a lot, and he does seem to have gained some goodwill from it. My sense is that NAF1138 is more likely town than not. But “almost sure”? Not close.
There are two ways that Omi could know that NAF is town with such certainty, but one of them might mean that this represents a newbie mistell, and that NAF and Omi are masons. So I elect not to call attention to it at the time. However, in post #299 NAF FOSes him. If masons are casting suspicions on other masons on day one, I give up now.
I’m getting a strong vibe of scum knowing that a NAF wagon is going nowhere, but hoping to safely use that event to build a train against someone else. And sure enough, he votes for fluiddruid, and when that fails, he tries me on for size.
During some interplay on that, in a post directed to Rachm Qoch:
This is only minorly suspicious, but he’s just misstated the mason role in a way that would encourage masons to play in a way that would benefit scum.
I admit that I didn’t even notice the inconsistencies in his claims about CarieD.
And, finally, while voting for me, he claims to be “most suspicious” of two other people. Until now, I’ve found it difficult enough to find one person to cast a non-random vote for. How is it, then, that Omi has the luxury of a pool of three? Is he that good? Or just more well-informed about a larger pool of targets? I’m comfortable voting the latter.
Okay, I’ll bite. This seems to be a reasonable enough explanation, so I will unvote Idle Thoughts
Even with regard to the posts since you made this, I still don’t really understand the pile on on **Omi ** (and some FOSs on me) because of what he said. Even though he had some wrong information, I read it over all as “look CaerieD is posting different than the last game”. For obvious reasons, I’ve paid attention to her posts, and noticed that she was playing differently as well. Thus, my conclusion is that both are likely pro-town.