Mafia The Game III: Kinder and Gentler

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[QUOTE=DiggitCamara]
I know I’m not convincing anyone but myself, but, since you’ve already brought up the “Contradictions are an important scum tell”-meme, let’s look at two posts from dnooman:

post #243: “We should only refer to ourselves as town, never anything more specific unless absolutely necessary. We don’t need to narrow down the possible pool of power roles for the Mafia.”
post #495:“Bloody hell. The thought that Lightnin’ might be a mason occurred to me. If he is, and the other masons were those that were defending him, we’re in deep shit.”

So: to justify the crucial vote swing against percypercy, he contradicted his earlier post by guessing that Lightnin’ is a mason.

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This was not a contradiction, you just misread my meaning. I was referring to Hal Briston’s “I’m just a plain townie” claim. Nobody should claim vanilla town unless they’re about to swing and it’s true. Obviously power roles should not lie about being plain town, and the actual plain town should not let the Mafia know that they are vanilla. The Mafia wants to kill power roles you see. I was referring to people talking about their own roles.

My thought that Lightnin’ could be a mason was legitimate, although in retrospect I think that was a possibly foolish conclusion.

It is not a good idea for townies to try to out power roles, I wasn’t trying to out anyone, and it appears that so far no one has been outed. However, if did not reveal my reason for changing my vote I would be either a) being secretive and therefore not helpful, or b) I would have had to lie, which is never a good idea for town to do.

This is by no means my full disclosure defense, I’ll save that for when and if I have a date with the gallows . The way I see it now, the more Mafia that pile on my wagon the better. I’ve gotten a pretty good reaction from my posts, and I think that will prove to be enlightening when I’m dead.

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Ok, I’ve looked at Post 655 and I don’t see where dnooman says he knows how many scum there are?

Looking at Post 608, dnooman only actually says he knows how many people weren’t voted for (four). Basic logic then indicates to anyone that there is a high chance mafia member(s) were voted for.

  1. 4 players weren’t voted for, so 16 were.
  2. It was suggested early on that there were between 4-6 mafia players (I’ll need to check who said this)
  3. If there were 5 or more mafia players at least one must have been voted for.
  4. If one of the four who weren’t voted for was a mason, then (if there are 4 or more mafia), the masons know that at least one mafia was voted for.

I ran through the numbers in Post 661 and 662 - admittedly while taking dnooman to task for asking about masons, because I didn’t see their relevance to this.

On the other hand, Hal Briston or CaerieD you’ve based votes on Post 655, so if you can point out what I missed, I’d probably be looking a lot harder at dnooman.

The only thing is I don’t think dnooman is a mason - he’s asked too many “If’s” about them.

743

If dnooman’s a mason there’s gonna be some serious WTFs out of me. I can’t imagine he’s a mason given his mason-referencing statements. Scum, maybe, but not mason.

744

Why is no one questioning the start of the percy bandwagon?

Wasn’t it DiggitCamara that started it? He’s really gung ho about trying to pin her lynching on me.

If I had to choose between him being a misguided townie and a Mafioso trying to get me lynched, at this point I’d have to choose the latter.

tirial seems to have said what I meant about the number of Mafia voted for better than I did. Maybe that was too obvious a point for me to have brought up.

I can certainly see why people would see some of my posts as being questionable and possibly reckless, but I doubt that too many townies think that I’m working for the other side.

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[QUOTE=dnooman]
Why is no one questioning the start of the percy bandwagon?

Wasn’t it DiggitCamara that started it? He’s really gung ho about trying to pin her lynching on me.

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Actually, that’s quite legitimate.

A couple of caveats:

  1. I was on the bandwagon, that much is true. However, mine was the first vote. You could as well ask about Kyrie Eleison’s bandwagon during this day, when throughout the day just **fluiddruid ** voted for him/her. Kindly direct your attention to post #477 . Gadarene lists 9 different “bandwagons” (hey, each of them started with one vote :smiley: )
  2. In post 489 I listed percypercy as my number 3 FOS. The reasoning behind that position was then (and is still) validated by more than one. Add to that my statement

which held true, and you have my explanation why I didn’t jump off.
3. Last, but not least, in post #433 I laid out my reasons as to why I kept my vote against her.

Maybe I should have revoted before signing out for the weekend, however (mea culpa!) I thought fate Lightnin’ was sealed.

And that’s where you came in . ..

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[QUOTE=tirial]
Ok, I’ve looked at Post 655 and I don’t see where dnooman says he knows how many scum there are?
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Thanks to your explaination, I now see that he did not let slip that he knows exactly how many scum there are. Thanks much for that – I stand corrected.

I now see that his statement was much simpler – either A) tirial, Blaster Master, Rachm Qoch and myself are the only mafia in the game, or B) a mafia member was voted for. The only non-scum that I know for certain is myself, but even if that were not the case, I’d call it very long odds that no scum whatsoever would get even a temporary vote on any day. Not much to gleen off of this.

[QUOTE=tirial]
On the other hand, Hal Briston or CaerieD you’ve based votes on Post 655, so if you can point out what I missed, I’d probably be looking a lot harder at dnooman.
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I don’t believe I’ve voted for dnooman previously. However, seeing as no one in this game has pinged my scumometer more than he has, I’m going to go ahead and change that now – vote dnooman.

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I’d just like to remind everyone- in about three hours, I’m going to be leaving the country. Okay, I’m really going to Canada, but hey- it’s another country, right?

How sad is it that I’ve had a passport for three years now, and the first time I get to use it is when I go to Canada?

Anyway, I’m going to be incommunicado until Sunday evening. I won’t even be able to look at the forums unless I can find a spare computer with a net connection- do they even have electricity up in Canada, yet? :slight_smile:

748

Fleeing the country? Geez…scum tell and a half…:slight_smile:

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tirial - I see what you mean. I misinterpreted dnooman’s point there, reading it out of context with just that part quoted in Hal Briston’s post. I’m not sure what to make of it now that I’m looking over it again in context, though. I still feel like dnooman has said some questionable things, but I’m less certain of his scumminess. Then again, I’m marginally more sure of dnooman’s scumminess than Projammer’s, so I suppose I’ll let my vote stay where it is for now as I consider this further.

Lightnin’ - We’ll try not to lynch you for not posting while you’re gone. :wink:

750

This means Projammer and dnooman each have 4 votes, by my count. Neck and, er, neck.

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[QUOTE=Lemur866]
This means Projammer and dnooman each have 4 votes, by my count. Neck and, er, neck.
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That matches my count, too. I wonder how long it’ll last, since I know I’d be rather loathe to break that tie.

752

I’m back and I just spent half an hour catching up and reading every post.

I see another bandwagon was starting, on Projammer this time…someone who, by the way, I’m still not getting any scum readings from.

Yet three people I’ve observed and voiced fairly serious suspicions of all, AGAIN, seemingly jumped on the bandwagon to lynch. Millit the Frail, CaerieD, and in post #700, dnoorman is ready to jump on it. To his credit, he hasn’t yet, but just that post (700) shows me he was considering it at the time.

And CaerieD changed her vote recently to dnoorman but this doesn’t really ease my feelings toward her.

I also can’t help but notice neither of them replied to my last exchange with them on my reasoning why I saw them as shady players.

So while I’m on today, I’m voting dnoorman.
Sorry for the absence yesterday. But I landed alive and well (that’s always good) and will be here until Saturday. :slight_smile:

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Oh yeah, I also realize that I’m jumping on a bandwagon myself now and even breaking a tie of votes. If dnoorman turns out to be pro-town, I fully expect to look bad. And by that same token I really hope he isn’t because that would also seriously suck.

But I’m voting, like everyone, based on my own observations and instincts based on posts I’ve seen and history of voting all the like, and based on that, he’s at a tie for the person I’m most suspicious of, so he gets it.

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[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts]
Oh yeah, I also realize that I’m jumping on a bandwagon myself now and even breaking a tie of votes. If dnoorman turns out to be pro-town, I fully expect to look bad. And by that same token I really hope he isn’t because that would also seriously suck.
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You might want to prepare for that. You might also spell my user name right once in a while.

I’m now the leading vote getter, but I still want to wait until I can get more out of people before I sing my swan song.

There’s no way I’ll get 10 votes IMO, the deciding vote is “the hammer” and is usually a scum tell. So, I’ll probably post my final response tomorrow so people can digest it before the final hour.

755

Ok, I’ve pretty much composed my final thread. Any questions that the town would like to have answered will be addressed, assuming I see them before the deadline.

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[QUOTE=CaerieD]
tirial - I see what you mean. I misinterpreted dnooman’s point there, reading it out of context with just that part quoted in Hal Briston’s post. I’m not sure what to make of it now that I’m looking over it again in context, though. I still feel like dnooman has said some questionable things, but I’m less certain of his scumminess. Then again, I’m marginally more sure of dnooman’s scumminess than Projammer’s, so I suppose I’ll let my vote stay where it is for now as I consider this further.

Lightnin’ - We’ll try not to lynch you for not posting while you’re gone. :wink:
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I’ve had my share of suspicion against dnooman, but this changes things.

I’m not sure one way or the other, of course, but this definitely weighs in dnooman’s favor. The inconsistancy Hal Briston pointed out was for me the most persuasive argument against dnooman. But now that that entire theory has unraveled, the “evidence” against dnooman is rather thin.
I’ll have to differ with CaerieD here, and upon reviewing the thread in full (again!) I must say the balance now tips against Projammer.

un-FOS dnooman
Vote Projammer

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[QUOTE=dnooman]
Ok, I’ve pretty much composed my final thread. Any questions that the town would like to have answered will be addressed, assuming I see them before the deadline.
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The day isn’t over quite yet. There are still plenty of people who could swing the lead back to the Projammer bandwagon. You’re only down by one vote at the moment if I counted correctly.

I wonder why you haven’t voted for Projammer yet? If you know you aren’t scum surely you would rather see him swing than yourself, and your vote would tie it up. If you have a better target for us it’s better to try to convince us now than when time is short.

That is, unless you are going to role-claim, which is the impression I get from your recent posts. Unless you plan on committing suicide by role-claiming scum, it would be better to try to get someone else lynched (that you believe are likely scum) than count on the role claim to save you. It’s not last resort time, and role-claiming is a last resort.

The day has really slowed down, and I think you promising last-ditch posts is only going to contribute to this. We need more discussion. Sure, the battle lines have been drawn, and we are a town divided, but we still need discussion to give us more information to go on no matter how today’s lynching turns out.

I say out with it. If you have something you want to say then now is a better time than later. Hold off on the role-claim, though.

I can sympathize a little with your plight. If the Projammer bandwagon goes through and I’m right that he’s scum, I think I’ve signed my death warrant by going after him like I have. I would be much more trusted by the town, and therefore a prime night-kill target. I plan on putting my cards on the table FOS-wise before the deadline hits, but I haven’t had a chance to review the thread to verify my current suspicions. Even if you are the one lynched I might as well do so anyway on the chance that I don’t wake up tomorrow.

I can’t say I’m convinced you’re town right now, but I’ve been leaning that way. I’ve seen some questionable things from you, but I also think your posts have added up more pro-town than deceitful. I hope your “final thread” will convince me (and some of those on your current bandwagon) that this is the case.

[On review I see that Rachm Qoch has voted for Projammer, so it’s now a 5-5 tie.]

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Also, where has Projammer been? He hasn’t posted in 24 hours or so. I was hoping for a defense from him by now.

Projammer, many of the points I made to dnooman apply to you as well. If you are town, defend yourself. If you are scum, well, then I guess just come out and admit it to ease the suspense.

759

Again. I don’t have time for a full analysis, but I’m going to get a few notes off quickly. First off, I don’t believe dnooman is mafia. Based mostly on his stated hesitancy to brand me as such. I know I’m town so offing either of us will pretty much seal the position of the other. I’m not going to beat the drum on Lightnin right now with him not here to speak in his own defense, but right now he is still highest on my list of players to send into that long goodnight. And like everyone else, there are others on radar to various degrees just based on feeling.

I’m going to print out the entire thread tomorrow and go through it to post my observations tomorrow night or Saturday morning well before the first call at the bar.

But for now, sending dnooman or myself to the gallows is only doing the work of the mafia for them.

760

I don’t see how dnooman could be planning a role claim, that would have to be argued over and analyzed and would take us over the deadline…all to no purpose. Rather he’s preparing his last will and testament, sending it out at the last minute, and realizing that when (or if) he’s revealed as town, we’ll at least trust that his analysis is honest.