I didn’t vote finally because I wasn’t sure. I withdrew my vote on Lightnin’ because although he seemed like a potential scum candidate on review I really couldn’t make a case - well not one that ws any stronger than you can make against anyone.
Dammit. My link to post 819 links, again, to 813.
Here is 819,in which Kyrie replies to said quote with said statements.
Also, what in the heck is wrong with me getting username’s wrong? I meant Rachm not Rachel. :smack: :smack: :smack:
Oh S…sugar! No detective. Sorry Kyrie, we’ll try to find the scum (please tell me you left some clues).
OK, Here’s my current suspicions list - I can build an equal case against any of them:
Projammer – I’m not sure. If he were mafia, a swing vote for dnooman would have pulled him out of danger of being lynched, and since his lynch would leave the rest of the scum open, it seems possible his role claim was real. On the otherhand they’ve left a confirmed townie still breathing. Otherwise I’d be voting to lynch him.
Fluiddruid – third person to vote on NAF bandwagon and third on percypercy
RachmQoch and CaerieD because there was something of a voting block going on there (more from Rachm than CaerieD.)
Lightnin’ – if the switch to percypercy was to protect lightin’ not projammer, then Lightnin is either scum or mason. Or the entire thing was a town mistake.
The other reason I withdrew the vote for Lightnin’ is that he wasn’t online to defend himself, which I only remembered after voting. If he’s not around you don’t get much information from it.
I’m not paying much attention to dnooman’s list because I suspect if he were playing JSexton would be right at the top as scum. I’ve played a lot of Paranoia and more serious political games (hence why I can build cases but detecting real enemies is pretty difficult) and Idle Thoughts ref’s this. Diggit, got any past experience?
Did the mafia get Kryie because she had voted for fluiddruid? Why not go after a townie who has role-claimed?
I was wondering the same thing - if projammer is confirmed town/power role, he should be the number one target, except if they had definite ideas that someone else was a better target.
If the scum suspected that Kyrie was the Detective that makes sense. To go after Kyrie for no reason, only makes sense if Projammer is scum, and Kyrie’s suspicions were too close.
Well crap.
I don’t have much time this evening, so I just wanted to repeat my reason for not voting: I simply didn’t see enough evidence to conclusively hang anyone. I’m still suspicious of CaerieD, and growing more suspicious of RachmQoch, but using the voting block from day 1 bothers me a bit, because Kyrie was part of it and we’ve confirmed she wasn’t scum.
I’m not using the voting block from Day One only - there are other examples e.g. Two of Rachm’s post’s are “Me too’s” on CaerieD’s. My notes are on my home computer, but there is definitely a pattern between the two.
What I did note was that there appears to be a degree of trust between them, which surprised me in this game where you can’t trust anyone. I’ll look out my full notes tonight and post them.
And no, I have not had Kyrie down as part of the same group as CaerieD and Rachm. Admittedly he was down as a possible, as were projammer and Lightnin’.
Yea, I agree that there’s something fishy going on. My observation was mainly looking at my own suspicions: the “me toos” are certainly good evidence, but what first made me suspicious of that block was the way they all attacked me on day 1… I guess it merits a second look to figure out how much of a pattern actually exists. ^^
I’ve looked through Kyrie’s posts from the last day and the summary seems to be
anti-FOSing Blastermaster p701 (acknowledged his reasoning was flawed in 706 so not likely to be the crumb), saying that he feels that dnooman and Projammer are town. (P813) and FOSing and voting for Fluiddruid.
His vote for Fluiddruid seems to be a definite - possibly a pointer. Fluiddruid voted for him in 714 for being the “low poster”, but Kyrie posted in P772 saying again that Dnooman and Projammer were town, and fluiddruid was suspicous. Kyrie finally voted against fluiddruid in 813, after SnakesCatLday, which could be an attempt to disguise a detective vote by following a trend.
I’ve been ignoring my own suspicions (Post 815) for two days because I was wrong about percypercy and everyone looked untrustworthy. CaerieD still looks odd, but I’d rather follow the Detective’s lead.
Vote fluiddruid
I guess it’s worth a try… he/she talked me out of it when I voted for him/her on day 1, but if it’s a potential detective breadcrumb we may as well try again.
vote fluiddruid
I’d still like to hear from other people on this one (at least check the posts and confirm my reasoning - I’m currently feeling paranoid).
Absolutely. I still suspect him/her, but if it looks like it’s getting close to a countdown and we’re still short on evidence, I’ll probably un-vote.
Wow. I am really surprised about Kyrie Eleison. I was so sure he was scum, but I guess now the detective makes a little more sense. I pegged at him for not being more decisive and not posting that much, but now it makes sense.
In my own defense, I feel I’m way too easy of a target here - intentionally so!
I’m basically the only person who suspected Kyrie Eleison, and flat out told him I thought he had posted the scummiest post this game. I all but directly told him I was planning to vote for him this round (which I was at the time). He’s voted for me twice. If I’m scum, doesn’t that seem, well, really really obvious? Mafia knows that I’ve been “suspected” since Day One and I’m an easy lynch target.
Let’s remember that the Detective only had one night to investigate. Not everything can be a breadcrumb.
Now, it’s up to you guys who you think he investigated. Personally, I think it’s likely that he investigated Projammer - the one who escaped the lynch last time. This takes Projammer off my suspicious list at least for the time being. However, there’s a good argument to be made that he could have investigated Blaster Master - the reason for the odd “anti-FOS” statement - or dnooman and not myself. In fact, objectively, I’d say I’m probably third likely to have been the one investigated, if it was indeed one of those 4 - Projammer being the most likely, and Blaster Master, given the odd statement (with no real backing) about him being Town, second most likely.
Fortunately, I think the Mafia made a misstep here, as Projammer could still have been a likely lynch candidate today, and seems like he was trusted by the Detective (rightly or wrongly). But, if they can get me down, as one of the more active townies, they will still have succeeded in getting the third lynch in a row.
Let’s remember, Kyrie only voted for me very late in Day Two, and, only when Snakecatlady voted. If she hadn’t, would he have targeted me at all? Maybe it’s just that he knew Projammer or dnooman was town. After all he did FOS me back in Day One - far before he could have investigated me.
Because the only role that had been claimed that wasn’t dead was Projammer as a Do-Gooder, and there’s no sense going after what seemed like a decent lynch candidate (and a now-irrelevant power role). After all I doubt they knew that Kyrie was the Detective. How could they, at this point?
For now, I’m not really sure which tactic to take. I’m suspicious of Omi no Kami - very fast to jump on me without really any analysis of why other than the shock of losing the Detective so early. But, I think it will be worth me going back through some old posts, as I don’t think Projammer is scum at this point, and nobody else really has gotten a lot of votes lately. Still not sure on Lightnin though.
Aw, geez. Well now we’ve finally lost a power role. I’ve got some stuff to do this morning and then I’ll start going back over the thread to post my commentary. I see the accusations are flying fast already.
This really doesn’t strike me as convincing in the least. You’ve done a nice job of summing up perfectly believable reasons for Kyrie to have investigated someone else, but I really don’t see how this specifically addresses tirial and my accusation. It’s true that, based only on the trust list, there’s an equal possibility of Kyrie having investigated any one of you.
HOWEVER, you’re really starting to stink of deception here. On day 1 you were making other people answer extremely simple questions of strategy that you could’ve easily figured out for yourself, which could’ve been a smart way of finding scum or a dumb way of finding power roles. Either way, a player coming out of the gates with that much enthusiasm struck me as a bit weird. So I voted for you on day 1, but later got talked out of it.
However, I have to note that since then you’ve been significantly less vocal when it comes to making others explain their strategy. Again, it’s possible that you quieted down to avoid mob scrutiny… but it’s also feasible to think that you were quieting down to avoid making anyone else suspicious.
Finally, as I already mentioned, the way you’re answering two measly votes is extremely suspicious. We’ve seen, on more than one occasion, players who quite reasonably analyze and criticize the reasoning others have used to vote for them. It’s simple, and it has the added comfort of letting others analyze logical holes in both the accusation and the defense. You, on the other hand, seem to be trying to change the topic: two players out of a much larger number say “Hey, fluid could definitely be the one Kyrie investigated,” but as a response (and please correct me if I’m characterizing your above post poorly) you replied “Well yea, but there are other people who could’ve been investigated”. That’s extremely reasonable. But then you tried to change the subject by following your analysis up with:
That’s all fair, although I’d argue that my reasons for voting for you again were perfectly clear when I voted: I thought you were suspicious on day 1, and other factors changed my mind. But as the game has gone on you’ve done very little to convince me you’re innocent, and taken a few actions (summarized above) which make me worry you aren’t.
And so I might be paranoid, but your response is so indirect (yea, I might be scum. But other people might be too. Think about THAT!), and you follow it up with that last paragraph which comes off as stunningly insincere to me: it looks like you’re making a particular point of looking for suspicious activity, so we’ll notice. And the only ones who would have a reason to do that would be scum.
I’m not anywhere near convinced you’re guilty, and in fact I’d say I’m only 40% convinced. But I just wanted to mention how many alarm bells your response raises for me. ^^
True, but something had better be or the Detective is a worse player than I give him credit for. Somehow, I can’t see Kyrie leaving no breadcrumb, so it only matters what he left. My FOS and vote is based on:
- The fact that dnooman and projammer are always mentioned together in Kyrie’s posts- the detective can only investigate one person, so if he has investigated **projammer ** its likely he’d have mentioned him specifically.
That leaves the un-FOSing of Blastermaster and the vote for you as possible crumbs.
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Kyrie mentioned you specifically as possibly scum twice - the second post he voted and gave a long list of reasons.
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He un-FOS’d Blastermaster, but when I mentioned there were flaws with his logic he didn’t post any further on the subject, rather than pushing it to leave a trail that Blastermaster should be trusted if anything happened to him.
Also, if Kyrie voted for you twice, as you state, rather than following bandwagons, isn’t it more likely he investigated the person he suspected?
I haven’t checked his posts to see who he suspected on day 1 yet, but that could be interesting.
kyrie voted Naf1138 on Day 1, then unvoted him and voted for Omi no Kami. His only vote on Day 2 was for fluiddruid .
fluiddruid , I don’t really see how you can classify yourself as “one of the more active posters” when you have even less posts than I do and I have been accused of not participating enough. You might want to come up with some better arguments because that one isn’t working.
vote fluiddruid
Sorry fluiddruid, but I can’t find the second vote you mentioned. As far as I can see, Kyrie voted for you once on the second day, after mentioning he was suspicious of you in an earlier post. Could you give a post reference?
And fluiddruid - if not everything can be a breadcrumb, do you think the detective left one, and if so, what do you think it was?