Mafia The Game III: Kinder and Gentler

Hmmm.

Well, before this day ends and it’s too late, here’s my regular long post.
First and foremost, I’m still the most suspicious of who I’m voting for…namely SnakesCatLady for reasons that span back to over two days ago.

DiggitCamara I’m also very suspicious of, but not quite as much so… (again, I’ve said many reasons why and explained where they all came from and I’m just feeling too lazy to keep resaying them)

Lemur I have for about the last day, yet the pile on him right now kinda makes me unsure. After all, three of the other people I’m suspicious of (SCL, Diggit and Tirial) are voting for him. So if he IS scum, then these people will probably drop low on people’s suspicion list (which I fear would be unfortunate). If he’s NOT, however, that would only give more likelihood to the fact they are mafia. However, I’m still not counting anything out.

If Lemur does happen to be a good citizen, that wouldn’t make me lose suspicion of anyone who I’m already suspicious of, however it WOULD make me suspicious of some who I haven’t been suspicious of yet so much. This is because the numbers in my head would be off and (barring recruition) there would still be a possible four mafia members.

So obviously, in the case that Lemur is pro-town, the others who I’m not yet suspicious of, who voted for him (if he’s the one to get it this day) will rise up on the list.

I dunno. I just don’t feel for him as strong as others. He could be scum, he could not be. I think and feel he IS (and that’s why all of those under suspicion the most right now I.E SCL and Diggit, are voting for him so when he turns out to be scum they’ll look good)…but I could be wrong.

No matter, though. Lemur = Town or mafia, I will still remain suspicious of all I am currently.

You are wrong about one thing, Idle Thoughts. I’m not voting for Lemur866 so I’ll look good when he turns out to be scum. I am voting for him because I think he is scum. Isn’t that the object of the game? I am completely certain there is nothing to redeem me in your eyes, so at least give me credit for not trying. I voted for fluiddruid because I thought she was scum. I will continue to try to root out scum until you succeed in having me lynched. As in the case of CaerieD, I am also willing to change my mind if I think I am on the wrong track.

Oh, don’t get me wrong. I do. And I’m not CERTAIN on you or anything. Heck, not even over 90 percent certain. I’d say about 80 or 85. Mostly as sure as I was fluiddruid that last day she was in the game.

It’s nothing personal, and I have really read all of your posts and stuff. But just nothing has really convinced me otherwise of anything you’ve said. Everything just strikes me as something a mafia player WOULD say if under suspicion that much. And I know you don’t know what else you CAN say, so that’s just it. That’s how the game is played. People just vote based on the suspicions they’ve collected through the game and over the last 3 days, it’s lead me to you.

I’m not the only one, I see. I’ve seen others in here say they’re about equally suspicious of you so maybe they’re just seeing what I’m seeing and getting the feeling that I am (what with the whole you/fluiddruid fiasco).

Well, I say it again. I’m town. As in, really town. And it doesn’t matter if you (if you really DO happy to be town too) or other actual townies believe me…the MAFIA knows the truth for sure. So SINCE they KNOW I’m town, why wouldn’t they (if you’re really town too), all rush and pile on you and kill you off and not only get rid of another townie (you), but make me look so horrible the next day? You have to admit, that would be a good way of playing. They bandwagon you knowing you’re/I’m town and have me be the hugest suspected player the next day after three days of going after you gung-ho.

See what I mean? Since they know who is who, you’d think they’d try to get rid of as many people as possible who aren’t on their side.

I don’t know if I’ll be on again before we lead our latest to the gallows, so I’m going to toss this out there just in case I mind up not surviving the night. From my notes:

If Lemur866 turns out to be scum, note that he continually harped on the recruitment having already taken place:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8587599#post8587599
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8588595#post8588595
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8588687#post8588687
Might this mean it has not taken place yet?

Oddly enough, I don’t really suspect you of being scum. A couple of things you’ve said in the last RL day or so have given me the tiniest suspicion that you may have been recruited, but it is very tiny.

Why should the mafia take me out? You are doing a very good job of showing suspicion of me, and there are several others who heavily suspect me. Why waste a night kill on me when the town will be glad to kill one of their own?

What I am really afraid of is that the mafia will night kill YOU, which pretty much guarantees that I will swing the next day.

Well, thank you.

Huh? :dubious:
I wasn’t talking about a night kill. I said, why wouldn’t they all pile on you on THIS day and start a bandwagon (if you’re really town–because they know who is and who isn’t town) and then when you’re dead and it’s announced you’re town, make ME look horrible the start of the next day (that is, if they don’t kill me off at night, which I doubt they’d do if that was their plan)?

Seriously, this would make a lot of sense.

I wasn’t talking about killing you at night.

Hey, nobody is more surprised then me that I’m not dead yet…which is one of the reasons I think tirial has been recruited since she, also, is still alive (as I explained in many posts on the last day). Seems to me both of us are the only semi-experienced players left and we’re also very prolific in this thread and analyzing and such. Makes sense to try to hit one of us on one of the past nights.
But that’s another story (one tirial and I and others have already rehashed).

I won’t be surprised if we don’t get a vote from Zuma tonight, but we still need to hear from nesta and Millet the Frail.

The sun is going down…

It’s hard to describe, but I have this strange feeling about the Lemur lynch. I feel like it’s been way too easy. If he were Mafia, then this slow buildup of six votes wouldn’t have happened, right? Then again, if he IS Mafia, what the hell happened? Were the others too afraid to come out and defend? Six is no overwhelming majority, no mandate at all. Are we on to them? (…nah, wishful thinking.)

I vote SnakesCatLady, because if there’s going to be a last-minute vote swing (yeah right), then this is where I want to see it go.

On preview: Yeah, I noticed, SCL. Just got home. And I’m sorry. Usually it doesn’t feel so personal, but it almost hurts to make this vote, on the off chance that I’m wrong!

I’m not taking it personally. I just hate to think of fluiddruid sitting over there eating nachos and snickering. It’s kind of weird, because I don’t have much suspicion of you or Idle Thoughts, even though you are both voting for me.
(ans sorry, but you are wrong about me.)

First, apologies for being absent the last couple real-life days. My home system’s power supply died over the weekend, and it had all my notes on it. I had to bring up an old system just to be able to post tonight, and its setup is less than ideal. I wanted to chime in about Blaster Master, since I’ve been growing more suspicious of him. I’m sill suspicious of DiggitCamara. Those can wait until tomorrow, though, once I get my system back up or have a chance to go back through the thread.

I’m largely undecided between Lemur866 and SnakesCatLady. I’ve had my suspicions about Lemur866, and even put him in my official FOS list a couple of days ago. I took him off my suspicion list yesterday after a quick review of the first couple of days. He FOSed fluiddruid during Day 1, which I didn’t think scum would have done, but I re-read that post and now it strikes me that it might have been more of a friendly reminder for fluiddruid to dial it back a little or she would start garnering suspicion, which is what happened. I can see scum talking to each other during Day 1 like that.

SnakesCatLady doesn’t look good, despite her voting for fluiddruid on Day 2, 3, and 4. Day 4 scum definitely voted for fluiddruid. On Day 2 SnakesCatLady switched off one of the two townies up for lynch, and her unvoting tied it up. Reading back through that it almost looked like fluiddruid and SnakesCatLady were happy to tie things up between the two townies. She switched to fluiddruid when fluiddruid wasn’t in any danger of being lynched. This could have been a safe vote to fall back on if/when one of them was lynched, and it could have easily turned into a plan once they got to talk at night that both of them would continue to go after each other.

It feels to me that we might have two scum up on the block today. I really hope so. It would be such a welcome change from having two townies up there over and over.

I’m going to vote Lemur866. He’s felt scummy through the entire game, and SnakesCatLady has only come onto my radar the last couple of days.

nesta, I really don’t know how to answer your suspicions of me, because I can see why you are thinking that way. All I can say is that on Day 2, I switched votes because I was no longer as suspicious of Projammer as I was of fluiddruid. I don’t care that it tied things up - I did not want to vote for someone I didn’t think was scum. I have been successful in not contributing to the lynching of townies so far, and I intend to keep voting that way. I don’t care how many people are voting for a player, if I don’t think that player is scum I will not vote for them.

I’ve got a sinking feeling that my neck might be on the chopping block after tonight, so let me air my latest thoughts while I still have a chance.

Dnooman and Lightnin have one thing in common: their lynchings have largely gone unanalyzed. I don’t know if the mafia have cleverly framed the debate or the town has simply ignored the matter, but it seems that the mafia’s gotten away with it, despite the earlier claims that Lightnin’s death would be illuminating and the later proclaimations that his lynching would not be in vain.

Most likely there’s scum somewhere in the Lightnin debacle, either in the vote for him or in the mob that fomented the whole affair early on. The obvious candidate is DiggitCamara, since he was largely responsible for driving the thing. But that’s a ballsy play – but then again we know at least in fluiddruid case they aren’t averse to making a ballsy play.

Another one is nesta. She was in the middle of the Lightnin vote, but she’s also on my radar for a couple other reasons. Maybe I’m making something out of nothing, but I’m not sure what to make of her attempt to stir up Hal earlier: was she trying to see if he might accidentally slip up and out himiself as mafia, or was she trying to stir him up like Lightnin to get him to attract townie suspicion? Compounding the matter is her late vote for Lemur, when she never really suspected him before.

Another matter: Idle Thoughts has apparently garnered quite a bit of trust lately, not entirely warranted IMO. He’s obviously a good analytical player, but I think it’s possible that we might be getting lulled into a sense of complacency, mistaking his skill for townieness. I’m not saying he’s near the top of my scum list, but he’s not on my town list either. There’s nothing extremely damning I can point to, but there are a few little things that, from my perspective, don’t really add up. How this works vis-a-vis SCL I’ve still not sure about.

Hal brings up an interesting point with Lemur’s insistance that the Mafia have already recruited. I haven’t gone back to determine the chronology exactly, but I think he made most of those posts before he was a forerunner for a lynching. Why would he repeatedly make this point? It could be subterfuge, but only if he thought he would be lynched in the near future. On the other hand, if Lemur happens to turn out town, his points definitely carry weight.

I’m getting this in just under the wire, so I’ll just say that if Lemur does turn out town, that would put CaerieD in a poor light, and she’ll be back up toward the top of my list if I’m still here.

Did the day end on schedule? Are we in night phase yet?
Gadarene any updates?

Yup, day’s over. (Sorry about that; I worked just late enough last night to crash when I got home without remembering the game.) Let me get to work in forty-five minutes or so and I’ll post the results.

I know the feeling - thanks. (And here I was hoping we’d got an extra day or something…)

Final Vote Count

7 – Lemur866 (DiggitCamara, SnakesCatLady, Rachm Qoch, tirial, CaerieD, Blaster Master, nesta)
3 – SnakesCatLady (Idle Thoughts, Lemur866, Millit the Frail)
1 – nesta (Hal Briston)
1 – DiggitCamara (ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)

*As he is led up to the gallows, Lemur866 bats his surprisingly large eyes one more time and says, “I don’t know why anyone would want to lynch me. I wouldn’t hurt a fly.” Then he grins with sudden malice. “Of course, flies aren’t lamentable townie puke like all you idiots.”

Lemur866, a member of the Mafia, has been lynched.*

The night will end at 9:15 a.m. my time on Thursday. Please submit your night instructions before then.

Yes! Yes! Yes! Go town!

YES! Oh, I feel so wrongly concerned now. You all*** are the best.

***Refers, of course to “you all who VOTED for Lemur,” not “you all townies.” :stuck_out_tongue:

Nice! I think we’re onto them now!

Of course, that’s no thanks to “you all” who didn’t! :stuck_out_tongue: