Nah, it’s just, I voted already and, by this point in the game, most people have established some pretty strong suspicions that will be hard to break. I’m not saying I’m gung-ho and solidified on the ones I’m suspicious of, because really, I’m still suspicious of everyone. But some much more than others and they haven’t really done anything or said anything to make me think different.
I still am reading every post in here, though, and taking them in and turning them over, but in the end, so far, of every catching up, I find that nothing all new has ever really come to light or been brought to my attention. So I’m just observing a bit more.
My main suspicion was said (many times…and rather adamantly) and my vote cast. shrugs I dunno what else to do, therefore, then just sit back and watch and take in the new posts and thoughs and add here and there if I see the need.
At this point I’m going to have to back up my FOS with a vote for DiggitCamara. I have yet to change a vote in this game, and this might be the vote that I change, but it is what it is for now.
Because you kept neglecting and downplaying the option that you were the breadcrumb. That to me looked suspicious as most people would mention something that gave them a chance of being confirmed town - even to give a rounded debate on the options they’d need to bring it up. Also throughout Day 3 I and others raised the issue that Dnooman and Projammer could not be the breadcrumb as they were never mentioned seperately. You consistantly ignored this in favour of saying one of the two was the breadcrumb, even refusing to answer points I raised about just how determined Kyrie’s trail on fluiddruid was.
Taken together it did make me wonder:
Did you neglect the option you were the breadcrumb and a confirmed townie because you knew it couldn’t be true?
Did you focus on dnooman and projammer because it would get fluiddruid, a now-confirmed scum, off?
I thought you were an unreliable vote on fluiddruid because you were focusing on these. Following the pattern from Day One, I guessed that if you were anti-town you would switch and CaerieD would follow you. And you did.
And BTW, there’s one other person that people keep forgetting was in the firing line on Day One - Omi no kami.
And since I spent the whole of Day 3 telling you how unreasonable your views were, you’ll forgive me if I don’t repeat the lot.
When it comes right down to it, you got scum off for a night and cost us a roleclaimed townie. If the town forgets that it would be really unwise.
Ok, narrowed down I need to vote for** Blastermaster** or** Lemur866**. I think I will go with my original throught.
Vote Lemur866
Its the “that you all conveniently lynched” comment about Lightnin’ that swings the balance for me. It just seems odd - and despite my raising it yesterday I don’t see Lemur defending it.
I’m tempted to change my vote to Lemur866 too, as I think he’s scum…but I also don’t want to give any slight impression that I’m unsure of my current vote either (or don’t have at least 85 percent faith in it).
However, I guess it doesn’t matter since I can only vote for one person anyway and he’s only a few small notches down on my ladder of suspicion.
Is this because of your list? Why not nesta? Or hell, me? I’d include you, but I know why you won’t vote for yourself. Anyway, I don’t necessarily see it, and I’m betting that the scum came later, if any voted for **Lightnin’ **at all. I’m seeing lots of scattered voting today. It didn’t bode well yesterday, so I’m a little worried. What do you think about some of the players who have votes already? I’m not encouraging blind bandwagoning, but we’re getting down to the wire and it’s awfully strange to try to start a bandwagon this late in the day. Around here, people call those “safe votes.” What gives?
I’m going to hold off on voting and try to make up my mind at the very end, since I won’t be available between 5 and 10.
Good grief, is “you all” an unknown speach construction around here?
We had four people who voted for Lightning the other day. You all know who you are. Some of you just made a mistake, but some of you voted for someone you knew to be town. And how did you know he was town? Simple, you know the list of scum already, because you’re scum.
As we’ve seen earlier, “defending yourself” is mostly useless, a better tactic is not to defend yourself but build a case against another player.
So if I’m going to swing today, better I should spend that time building a case against my all-time scum list topper rather than bleating “but I’m innocent, innocent I tell you!”
So I’m gonna vote SnakesCatLady once again.
She’s been on my list since the beginning, which only intensified from Fluiddruid’s “don’t throw me in that briar patch” last post where she fingered SnakesCatLady as scum. Very convenient. I’m not buying the argument that a scum that we’ll soon know to be scum would try to bury a townie. She was trying to protect her compatriot.
[metaGame]In a way, getting lynched will be a relief…I haven’t been able to pay as much attention to this game as I’d like due to, you know, a job and kids and a wife and such. [/metaGame]
This is outright untrue, I specifically said: “Here’s the point that was missing from the discussiong all day… the TIMING. That is, what strikes me as odd about my “Anti-FOS” from Kyrie is that it’s rather contrived and almost 400 posts after the one that was quoted, PLUS it was early in the day; so I can kind of see that being a breadcrumb (though, I’m still not sold on it, as much as I’d like it to be true).”
I went on to compare the ANTI-FOS of me with fluiddruid and pointed out specifically that because of the timing of the ANTI-FOS is makes more sense as a breadcrumb than a LATE vote for fluiddruid. My point was, which you nor anyone else ever answered to, was the timing of the **fluiddruid ** vote as a breadcrumb. What if SCL hadn’t voted for fluiddruid, and he had wanted to crumb that? First of all, with that kind of information, why didnt’ he try to get it out earlier in the day, and second, how would he have gotten it out if SCL hadn’t voted for fluiddruid?
The other point your neglecting is that the ANTI-FOS of me is mentioned once, as is the crumbing of fluiddruid. My guess would be that a breadcrumb should be subtle and repeated to prevent mixing it up with his reasoning that has nothing to do with it. While the ANTI-FOS of me is correct, I didn’t think it made any sense to focus on it, because logically, it looked to make less sense as a crumb, with the vote for fluiddruid being the last. I thought I was quite clear about the ordering of the probabilities.
Besides, if I’d gone “hey look the detective ANTI-FOSed me, I MUST be pro-town”, that would have looked rather suspicios too, no? Me being honest about what I thought was the likeliness of the breadcrumb gets me suspicion now?
This is outright silly as well. I focused on dnooman, because our detective focused on dnooman. I looked at every post by Kyrie on the day in question, and all but two of the posts specifically mention dnooman in some capacity or another. This is consistent with my theory that a crumb should be subtle and repeated. Further, while he appears to have stronger evidence against dnooman (as I mentioned, the post he used to vote FOR fluiddruid, he had used the same one against dnooman earlier WITHOUT casting a vote or even an FOS).
This is blatantly untrue as well. How could you possibly have thought I was “unreliable”? I didn’t mention ANY of this information considering that dnooman might have been the breadcrumb until the very post in which I changed my vote. Further
Really? As I said, how could you have been challenging how “unreasonable” my views were all day, when I didn’t mention my stronger thought of dnooman being the crumb until late in the day?
In post 983 you say that Kyrie “just keeps going after fluiddruid”, but this is patently untrue. Kyrie mentioned fluiddruid thrice in all of day two (post 772, post 813, and post 819). Only the second can be considered “going after fluiddruid”, and even that is done more clearly in a way to attempt to dispell the heat from Projammer and dnooman. The first was simply referencing her reasoning when talking to dnooman, the last was actually a defense of himself for being a second vote on someone other than one of the front-runners in response to Rachm Qoch’s concern that there may be another sudden vote shift that will get a townie lynched (like percypercy on day one); he obviously had to defend it, because he’d spent the day saying that he couldn’t possibly vote for either of the front-runners. IOW, he attacked her exactly once, that’s it; I don’t see how you get the “just keeps going after” part.
Yet, in post 985, you specifically focus only on the cases of Kyrie mentioning fluidruid, because you’re focusing on her… the same thing you deride me for doing. You also downplay the possibility of me being the breadcrumb… the same thing you deride me for doing. Seriously, could you be any more hypocritical in this post?
FINALLY, in post 1064, your first post AFTER I post my reasoning, you do attack my reasoning, but poorly, essentially coming down to “why didn’t he put up a neon sign pointing to dnooman as pro-town… he did that for fluiddruid. And he doesn’t separate Projammer and dnooman”. As I’ve said, and I repeat because you haven’t responded to this point, is that I expect he knew (and had hopefully learned from M2), that leaving a whole loaf will get him killed, and don’t get me wrong, I think that’s why he was killed, but I don’t think that was the deliberate crumbing. I expect that he’d be consistent and subtle about it. Like, for instance, as I’ve also mentioned before, that the VERY SAME damning piece of evidence he uses to make a vote for fluiddruid, he uses against dnooman earlier in the day, without as much as an FOS. I think he voted fluiddruid because he was pretty sure she was scum (and he was right), but it absolutely does not look based on information. Similarly, he was constantly conversing with dnooman, and correcting him… I think he specifically doesn’t separate out dnooman from **Projammer ** because he doesn’t want to be to overt about it… again, subtlety, not neon signs.
This part I cannot defend, yes I did vote for a pro-town player when scum was up for a vote. But seriously, couldn’t I have just voted Projammer earlier in the day, and defended that like the rest of the people that voted for him did? If I were scum, would I have waited so late in the day to change my vote, fully aware that it would draw negative attention to me? Yes, I think scum voted for Projammer that day, but I’m quite certain they would have done so much earlier and much quieter.
Of course it’s not. The problem is, it’s used to set yourself apart from those you are addressing. I understand your claim – you’re saying you meant it in a “you all who voted to lynch Lightnin’” context. The problem is that it came out in a “you all townies” context. At least to my ears, and those of several others as well, apparently.
For those needing a refresher:
Truth be told, it’s what I wrote about here that really gets my scumdar rising. I can’t imagine fluiddruidnot naming fellow scum in her suspicion list, and if it turns out that you’re town, then she set you up in truly brilliant fashion.
I think she’s good, but I don’t think she’s that good.
Interesting, Lemur866. I’ve been on your list since the beginning (by which I assume you mean Day 2, since you didn’t vote for me Day 1), but you took time out to help lynch a townie and make a rather vote for fluiddruid. If you felt so strongly about me, why the vote changes?
Why Fluiddruid and not you? Because Fluiddruid was obvious scum, once we analyzed the detective’s last will and testament. Once we knew for sure Kyrie was the detective, his unblinking flat-out statement that he was sure Fluiddruid was scum means he must have known for sure. The others…projammer and such…he hedged his bets.
A vote against Fluiddruid doesn’t mean I don’t think you’re scum, we have more than one scum in this game.
Going back over the thread, I’m reminded of a bunch of different things that had struck me as mildly suspicious about Lemur866 at the time, but none of them were big enough to add up to much. The fishing about the Doctor that tirial had pointed out for instance, the repeated references from fluiddruid, the odd vote timing. The claim of having been suspicious of SCL for a long time doesn’t seem all that strong either, really. Why not cast a vote for her on Day 3, then? I’d already voted against her at that point, and if more people had expressed their distrust of her at that point a bandwagon might have formed. Instead, Lemur was the third vote for Projammer.
And going back to the very first day, Lemur’s attempts to get rid of dnooman simply for being an experienced player look pretty bad, too. dnooman ended up getting lynched on Day 2, but at least the reasoning then was a bit different. Offing someone with insight that can help the town specifically because of that insight is a bad thing.
The only thing holding me back is my suspicion of SCL, really. Because if she’s scum–and for so long now I’ve thought she is–then Lemur is a lot more likely to be town.
But my suspicion of Lemur is stronger than my suspicion of SCL, so vote Lemur866.
Maybe. Or maybe it’s like a fluiddruid/SCL thing. Maybe both SCL and Lemur are trying to set up something like that. It’s plausible…and given my suspicions of both, it seems (at least to me) to be the case.
I’d considered that. If Lemur is scum–and I’m really, really hoping he is–that doesn’t get SCL entirely off of my distrust list, though it does start to factor in her favor. There’s still the possibility of someone doing what storyteller did in WWII, so we have to stay alert for that.
Well, in my haste to defend myself, it appears I’ve neglected to vote when I thought I had already. I understand the case built against Lemur; no smoking gun, per se, but a lot of circumstantial evidence. He has been mildly suspicious, but following the “you all” comment, I have watched him carefully, and I tend to agree. OTOH, my suspicion of tirial is growing at an exponential rate; the more I review her posts, the more I’m thinking she is scum, whether she was recruited or not, but she has been subtlely misconstruing and mis-representing posts. My suspicion of CaerieD is largely dispelled at this point, but I’m still very suspicious of SCL. Hence, because it doesn’t look like a vote for tirial is being realistic, I’ll choose between the two that have a chance of hanging.
Thus, I’ll vote Lemur because his “you all” comment is closer to being a smoking gun than anything out of SCL.
I have been looking long and hard at nesta, and SnakesCatLady, but it was the way that Diggit analyzed Day 3 that has my vote sticking to him today. Not only is his reasoning coming up as opposite of mine, but (while admittedly not voting for me) he also calls out suspicion of me at the same time. That is enough for me.