[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts]
Hahaha.
I think you’re trying to do it again SCL being as I also suspect Lemur yet suspect (as you know :p) you.
Tricky tricky!
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I don’t think there is anything I can do to take your suspicion off of me. I’ve given up trying. I am simply trying to do the most good for the town I can.
Does anyone have anything to say about Blaster Master? I don’t mean to be pushy, but it seems like we need some real play-by-play analysis going on in order to really indict anyone. I’m not feeling these “scummy vibe” or “one of the people in this list has to be scum” arguments.
I feel kind of in a rut, and without our detective, there’s nothing real in this game to go on. No one (on our side) actually KNOWS anything. So we’re just throwing darts around without any real strategy or logic. Yesterday felt almost like the first day again, and today’s even worse. I strongly suspect that we need a new tactic, but every time I post anything based on voting records/voting order, it gets a stony silence. (Maybe it’s the frailty…)
Does anyone want to hear more about Blaster Master? It’ll take some time, so I’ll only do it if it’s worth my while. Otherwise, I’m probably going to take the easy road out and vote for SnakesCatLady.
On preview: Sorry, SCL, but no one has me convinced enough to vote for anyone else, and fluiddruid made you look really, really bad.
[QUOTE=Millit the Frail]
On preview: Sorry, SCL, but no one has me convinced enough to vote for anyone else, and fluiddruid made you look really, really bad.
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Of course she did. She was scum, and I am town. The more townies lynch each other, the more likely the scum are to win.
I’m resigned, but I will keep adding my thoughts and suspicions until the end. No hard feelings; this is only a game. One I would like the town to win, but still just a game.
I would like to hear your thoughts on BlasterMaster. I never noticed him much until the vote-unvote-vote-unvote thing on fluiddruid during Day 3, and he kind of slipped away from notice again after that. Which is suspicious of itself.
[QUOTE=CaerieD]
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Yeah, that’s what it looked like to me, too. Not every third vote is necessarily scummy, but that one seemed very…off. I’d noticed it as a bit odd the first time around, but when I went back and re-read it I really paid attention to where it was in the middle of that discussion. A few minutes had gone by between posts so it seems likely that Lemur866 had seen the discussion between you and Idle Thoughts. I don’t know if I’m going to vote off of that just yet, but I thought I’d throw it out there and see what others were thinking.
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That played a good part in my renewed suspicion of him. He stated that he had harbored suspicions of SnakesCatsLady for a while, but never addressed those between his vote for her early on and yesterday. I think there’s a chance there’s scum in the Lightnin voting block (ie ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, nesta, Millit the Frail, or DiggitCamara), in one of yesterday’s vote leaders, and maybe one or more of the careful votes at the end. In retrospect, Hal’s single vote for nesta isn’t as suspicious, as she apparently was trying to provoke a response there. But Lemur866 hasn’t really said much to allay my suspicions of him from Days 4 and 5. So vote Lemur866.
Hi everyone.
I wanted to check in before I start reading. I haven’t really paid attention to this game so far (I heard there was an opening in this game over in the pirate game). I’m going to try to be fully caught up later tonight. At worse it’ll be tomorrow.
Also, I’m a he 
[QUOTE=Millit the Frail]
Does anyone want to hear more about Blaster Master? It’ll take some time, so I’ll only do it if it’s worth my while. Otherwise, I’m probably going to take the easy road out and vote for SnakesCatLady.
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I’d definitely be interested in hearing your views on Blastermaster.
Oh lord. What have I gotten myself into?
I’ve made my way through almost half the thread so far, and will finish up tomorrow…
[QUOTE=zuma]
Oh lord. What have I gotten myself into?
I’ve made my way through almost half the thread so far, and will finish up tomorrow…
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I think the day ends tonight, so you may have to introduce yourself at the bar…
So far the suspects I can see are:
Blastermaster - for the votes that killed projammer one Day 3 and percypercy on Day One
CaerieD - for the votes following up from Blastermaster that contributed to both
Rachm Qoch - For intially starting following CaerieD’s lead (including the two “met too” posts)
SnakesCatLady - For voting consistantly for fluiddruid and having fluiddruid finger her as an opponent*
Lemur866 - The “you all” post, and the fact he was named twice by fluiddruid as suspicious - once when fluiddruid was not in danger of lynching
Omi No kami/zuma - the failure to post, then to give final votes, and then threatening to sub.
*No I don’t get this one - I can see how it might be a bluff by fluiddruid, but there are stronger tells. If **SnakesCatLady ** is suspicious because fluiddruid said the town should go after her as a double bluff, why aren’t the people fluiddruid named twice (Omi No Kami/zuma and Lemur866) even more suspicous?
I’ll be blunt and say at the moment my vote is pulled between Lemur866, Blastermaster and CaerieD, but I’m just not happy enough about the case with CaerieD to vote for her - its possible if Blastermaster is scum she’s a townie following his lead, or that if **RachM Qoch ** is scum he was using her as a convenient shield. It also possible that none of them are.
BTW, Idle Thoughts
Are you on the happy pills? Surely this isn’t the same analysis posting, probably-a-nightmare-to-defend-against, experienced player that I remember posting earlier in the game!? Nothing personal, but I think I’ll go and look at analysis from someone who isn’t laughing manically…
(And it seems to be much easier to follow the game when you’ve stopped caring about your job…)
Gadarene - any chance of a vote count?
Yeah, gimme a li’l bit.
First of all, welcome Zuma.
[QUOTE=SnakesCatLady]
I would like to hear your thoughts on BlasterMaster. I never noticed him much until the vote-unvote-vote-unvote thing on fluiddruid during Day 3, and he kind of slipped away from notice again after that. Which is suspicious of itself.
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Really? You hadn’t noticed me? Admittedly, I haven’t been as vocal as tirial and Idle Thoughts, but I sure as heck haven’t been quiet.
Because my actions on day 3 are drawing heat from misrepresentation, allow me to clarify:
I initially voted to lynch fluiddruid on day three in post 902 (somehow conveniently dropped from Millit’s analysis of me???)
I unvoted in post 922 because there was an angle that I had not considered. Was I less suspicious of fluiddruid? No, but I wasn’t about to leave a vote there and let a bandwagon run away on what I perceived as shaky ground.
I revoted fluiddruid in post 1055 after re-evaluating and thinking the day was over. Admittedly, up to this point, I’d pretty much been taking people at their word about the potential breadcrumbs, and I figured that even though I was slightly more suspicious of Projammer, since it was possible that we was a pro-town breadcrumb, and that fluiddruid was a scum-crumb, it only made sense then for that to sway my vote in fluiddruid’s direction.
As soon as I posted that vote, I had a bad feeling, so I decided I’d re-read every one of Kyrie’s posts from day 2 to decide on the breadcrumb for myself. So in post 1062 I laid out the results of that investigation. I can’t say whether or not I was right or wrong, because all of the potential breadcrumbs from Kyrie turned out to be right. My main point was, as I outlined when I initially voted for fluiddruid, was that I was actually more suspicious of Projammer the whole time, but I let all the talk of her potential as a breadcrumb sway my vote, and once I thought it was a low possibility, I went with my stronger suspicion which was, admittedly wrong.
Now I’ve got to ask, if my reasoning and voting on day three was SO suspicious, why wasn’t it heavily questioned then, or the next day, or even the day after **fluiddruid ** was lynched and I’d “saved” her? If you disagree with my reasoning, inside of the information that we all had at the time, then challenge my reasoning, but misrepresenting my actions is just…silly.
[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
Now I’ve got to ask, if my reasoning and voting on day three was SO suspicious, why wasn’t it heavily questioned then, or the next day, or even the day after **fluiddruid ** was lynched and I’d “saved” her? If you disagree with my reasoning, inside of the information that we all had at the time, then challenge my reasoning, but misrepresenting my actions is just…silly.
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Strange, I thought I questioned it at the time - not least in P1491 (which you quoted yourself to try to make Lightnin’ look like scum). I thought you were one of the “unreliable” votes for fluiddruid the first day we were after him, but unfortunately that can either mean easily swayed townie or scum, so its not conclusive.
No one else seems to have picked up on it, which I suppose means I should really vote for you to draw attention to it - the problem is** lemur866 ** looks scummier. (What with the fishing expeditions, “you all comment”, fluiddruid naming him twice, etc.)
My reasons for my vote were (I think) pretty clear: whether Omi no Kami was scum didn’t matter to me. I wanted him/her out of the game because he/she was a really bad player who took any comment on him/her as a personal matter.
[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts]
(snip)
Haha, but seriously now. Sorry I can’t return the trust, but the game is the game. I’m sure you understand. Heck, maybe I’m doing the mafia’s job for them. But I don’t feel it. shrugs Not at all.
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No problem. Actually I think it’s good strategy on your part: try to look objectively at someone’s posts, not at their attitude towards you personally. And that’s why I put you on my trusted list: you started the anti-fluiddruid movement when there was no incentive for scum to do so.
[QUOTE=tirial]
Strange, I thought I questioned it at the time - not least in P1491 (which you quoted yourself to try to make Lightnin’ look like scum). I thought you were one of the “unreliable” votes for fluiddruid the first day we were after him, but unfortunately that can either mean easily swayed townie or scum, so its not conclusive.
No one else seems to have picked up on it, which I suppose means I should really vote for you to draw attention to it - the problem is** lemur866 ** looks scummier. (What with the fishing expeditions, “you all comment”, fluiddruid naming him twice, etc.)
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I remember being challenge moderately, but I’d expect if it was such a scum tell, as it looks like people are saying it is now, why didn’t it draw more attention than it did? It looks more to me like post-hoc reasoning to draw attention away from scum that are drawing attention today.
FTR, is this is post 1491, and it doesn’t look like the post you’re refering to. Considering that’s after day three, I don’t even know where to start looking for the post you meant.
There is some truth to this – unfortunately, I’m not being very successful in building momentum against you. I’m still pretty damn sure you’re scum, but I’ve already presented all my evidence about this and if no one else buys it, then so be it (I can see how from the outside, this could look like a scumfight).
So, I’ll certainly be keeping a close eye on you, but I may wind up changing my vote. The more I think about the events leading up to my post here, the more inclined I am to think that Lemur is scum as well. If it becomes necessary to lynch, I’d probably send my vote over there.
[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
I remember being challenge moderately, but I’d expect if it was such a scum tell, as it looks like people are saying it is now, why didn’t it draw more attention than it did? It looks more to me like post-hoc reasoning to draw attention away from scum that are drawing attention today.
FTR, is this is post 1491, and it doesn’t look like the post you’re refering to. Considering that’s after day three, I don’t even know where to start looking for the post you meant.
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:smack:
1429 You quote it in 1458.
And frankly I flagged it, but if no one else was going to follow it up, or even comment, what’s the point? I pushed fluiddruid like mad and it still took two days to get the scum hung. I’m not putting that much effort in on a suspicion.
Of course, if anyone wants a serious debate of your potential scum merits/demerits I’m up for it, but no one else who has offered to make a case has (Millet, have I missed your comments?). Unless I’ve got some validation I’m going back to voting for lemur866 as the guy that looks scummiest to me.
FOS Lemur866
FOS BlasterMaster
I’ve given my reasons for both - anyone else want to join in?
[QUOTE=tirial]
:smack:
1429 You quote it in 1458.
And frankly I flagged it, but if no one else was going to follow it up, or even comment, what’s the point? I pushed fluiddruid like mad and it still took two days to get the scum hung. I’m not putting that much effort in on a suspicion.
Of course, if anyone wants a serious debate of your potential scum merits/demerits I’m up for it, but no one else who has offered to make a case has (Millet, have I missed your comments?). Unless I’ve got some validation I’m going back to voting for lemur866 as the guy that looks scummiest to me.
FOS Lemur866
FOS BlasterMaster
I’ve given my reasons for both - anyone else want to join in?
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You didn’t miss anything, except maybe my post o’ frustration. I can’t do the rest of the BM analyses until it’s too late for tonight’s vote. I have finals tonight. :eek:
In short, though:
BM voted and unvoted both SCL and Idle (Townies? One or both a token scum vote?) during the first day but settled on percy. No big smoking gun there, because there was no real vote swing.
BM made the only vote for CaerieD (who was looking scummy but now seems like she was just confused town) on the second day.
We’ve been over Day 3 - two vote/unvotes for fluid and one final vote for Projammer
Day 4, early vote for Lightnin, switch to fluid when the pile-on really gets going
Day 5, late day vote for CaerieD to bring her up to 3 votes. Lightnin had 4 at the time and was very soon after lynched.
So I want to ask, since the SCL thing has gotten really quiet: What, again, is the rationale for lynching Lemur? I’m not sure I see it. If someone has already laid it out nice and clean, could I get a link? I apologize for the inconvenience, but if you want my vote on your side (or if you want to take me in another direction entirely, like Hal with nesta, which looks pretty vociferous but hasn’t really picked up any attention from anyone else yet–???), give me a summary.
By the way, what time is this day ending?
In approximately eleven hours.
Updated Vote Count
3 – Lemur866 (DiggitCamara, SnakesCatLady, Rachm Qoch)
1 – nesta (Hal Briston)
1 – SnakesCatLady (Idle Thoughts)
I think that’s everybody.
[QUOTE=Millit the Frail]
(snip)
So I want to ask, since the SCL thing has gotten really quiet: What, again, is the rationale for lynching Lemur? I’m not sure I see it. If someone has already laid it out nice and clean, could I get a link? I apologize for the inconvenience, but if you want my vote on your side (or if you want to take me in another direction entirely, like Hal with nesta, which looks pretty vociferous but hasn’t really picked up any attention from anyone else yet–???), give me a summary.
(snip)
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Right now my suspicions center, basically, around the reasons I posted a while back. However, tirial has made a few points that make pretty good sense to me as well, so you might want to look at those.
[QUOTE=tirial]
:smack:
1429 You quote it in 1458.
And frankly I flagged it, but if no one else was going to follow it up, or even comment, what’s the point? I pushed fluiddruid like mad and it still took two days to get the scum hung. I’m not putting that much effort in on a suspicion.
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Umm… I’m not seeing any mention of it in there. You say:
[QUOTE=tirial]
Blastermaster and CaerieD are close to the top of my scum list. On Day one, they were the final two votes for percypercy (saving Lightnin or Projammer), and on Day 3 their swing to Projammer (a bandwagon started by Lightnin’) saved fluiddruid. Note their celebrations last night don’t include any mention of the fact they saved fluiddruid at the town’s expense the day before.
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First, this makes no mention of my reasoning on the breadcrumb, and second, it is basing my scumminess on the idea that the swing for **percypercy ** was caused by scum to save Lightnin’. This is definitively false logic, because Lightnin’ is proven town.
You do make a mention that I changed my vote to Projammer, but again you ignore the logic that I used to make that swing. I was hardly the only individual voting for Projammer. Again, if you don’t like my logic behind the reason why I changed my vote, then attack my logic; but ignoring it all together and simply saying that I voted for a townie when the other option was scum is nonsensical. That is, as more scum are discovered, I’m sure people will look back and say the same thing about you when another scum is discovered, and had been chosen against in favor of a lynching a townie. The bottom line is, none of us have a good voting record, as we’ve managed to lynch exactly one scum so far.
I am always careful to provide a clear reasoning trail for my votes so that if I happen to be called out for a bad vote, I can at least show my thought pattern, and that it’s not just a “eh, I have a gut feeling” vote. The problem is that you all are ignoring it. So, please tell me why, in the context of day three, why my thought that dnooman was the more probable breadcrumb is unreasonable. Also, tell me why my suspicion of Projammer was so unreasonable that, when I had reasonable doubt of the breadcrumb, that somehow looks fishy?