Mafia The Game III: Kinder and Gentler

I wouldn’t have minded that much if it was the first time and if it hadn’t obviously started affecting other players enjoyment of the game (as witnessed by SnakesCatLady’s comment that she didn’t dare defend herself anymore).

But, let’s bygones be bygones. Unvote zuma.

Now that that is taken care of…ok, I’m still suspicious of Zuma simply because of Omi no Kami’s thin skin and because of her record of not voting. I’m not putting a vote or even an FOS on Zuma at this time, though. I wish Omi on Kami had subbed out earlier if she was going to do so, because now, if Zuma is scum, we’re very likely to let him/her live longer just to see how he/she acts and votes.

Which is it, Zuma? Male or female? We do try to address others by the correct gender here, even if we are not always correct. :slight_smile:

I am really leaning toward voting for Lemur 866. He voted for fluiddruid fairly late in the day and has danced around a lot, voting mostly safe, non threatening votes. I think he was trying to get a bandwagon rolling on me, and since I’m town I don’t appreciate that.

I’m still suspicious of CaerieD and will be watching her closely.

If my notes are correct I think we have two players with one vote each - Idle Thoughts has voted for me and Hal Briston has voted for nesta.

Like I said, I have been re-reading Day 3’s events.

From it, I can pretty much put IdleThought on my trusted list, since he started the anti-fluiddruid movement.

And from it, Lemur866 (posts 912 and 916, fluiddruid’s first “defense”) and ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies come up looking pretty scummy to me.

I’m still undecided about CaerieD and BlasterMaster. Particularly the latter, since he pretty much saved fluiddruid with his vote-switch (but then, he was one of the first promoters of fluiddruid’s lynching.

Having said that, I’ll vote Lemur866.

Could you do that again in blue type, Diggit? Vote count coming soon as well.

OK. If you insist… :smiley:

Vote Lemur866

That’s correct. I replaced “Omi no K” with “Omi/zuma” on the spreadsheet.

I realize that my last post had a sentence fragment in it:

To finish: because that, being her one vote for an “unknown” (other than Lightnin’, whom she had to have assumed was not long for this world), would be her only chance to implicate another Mafia.

I’m looking over the Day 4 swing, the only day that has had a known, true Mafia-to-townie vote swing.

A question: What’s up with Blaster Master’s vote/unvote/vote?
Projammer=5 (Lightnin’, Millit the Frail, Hal Briston, Lemur866, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)
fluiddruid=6 (tirial, SnakesCatLady, Idle Thoughts, Rachm Qoch, nesta, DiggitCamara)

Blaster’s posts and other relevant miscellany:

1055 - Vote fluiddruid. (“Pending a convincing defense post.”) (NOTE: Says Projammer is “the most weaselly of the bunch.”)

1057 - Fluid votes Projammer, with admittedly very weak scummy feelings toward him. (Ha.) Now Projammer=6, fluiddruid=7

1062 - Unvote fluiddruid, Vote Projammer. (The big “Oh crap” post. “Bad feeling about this,” analysis of all of Kyrie’s Day 2 posts, “No WAY fluid is the breadcrumb.”) Now Projammer=7, fluiddruid=6

This is met with general dubiousness by tirial

1066 - CaerieD buys it hook, line, and sinker (though she is “terribly reluctant”), switches vote from SCL (her only vote!) to Projammer.

several - tirial calls CaerieD on it, CaerieD holds fast, Idle calls CaerieD on it.

1076 - Blaster repeats, the breadcrumb is not fluid!! (ASIDE: It was totally fluid.)

1077 - CaerieD is all, yeah, if Proj is town and fluid is Mafia, I’ll look bad…but I’ve got to be me, so screw it

more general dubiousness from Diggit

1080 - Blaster is “Still highly suspicious of fluiddruid,” will vote for her or Lightnin’ tomorrow. (IN THE YEAR 2000: In fact, the next day, Blaster came shooting out of the box with the very first vote: for Lightnin’. After three votes had piled up for fluid (Idle, tirial, SCL), Blaster changed his vote to fluid.)

1082 - Projammer buys the farm.

Suspicious? I think probably. He had to know he could count on fluiddruid to throw a vote toward** Projammer**, at least a weak one, under the guise of “saving her own skin.” So was the vote for fluid a big setup? Did he stage his little “change of heart” to make his vote, the DECIDING VOTE, look less bad? His was the one that decided it all (and ultimately convinced CaerieD to seal the deal with an 11th hour vote). Was the change of heart set up to “soften the blow?”

Huge FOS on Blaster Master. More to come, because if the rest of his votes look scummy, then I’m making my vote.

I meant Day 3.

And Diggit, yes, Blaster Master voted for fluid earlier in the day too, but he took it back right away. I’m going to go over the rest of his votes and post more analysis later. I feel like he played chicken with his votes for fluid. Look at the very beginning of Day 4 for something of a smoking gun.

Updated player list:

Alive:

  1. CaerieD
  2. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
  3. Hal Briston
  4. nesta
  5. SnakesCatLady
  6. Lemur866
  7. tirial
  8. Blaster Master
  9. Millit the Frail
  10. Rachm Qoch
  11. DiggitCamara
  12. zuma
  13. Idle Thoughts

Dead:

  1. percypercy – citizen (lynched, Day One)
  2. NAF1138 – citizen (murdered, Night One)
  3. dnooman – citizen (lynched, Day Two)
  4. Kyrie Eleison – detective (murdered, Night Two)
  5. Projammer – do-gooder (lynched, Day Three)
  6. fluiddruid – mafia (lynched, Day Four)
  7. Lightnin’ – do-gooder (lynched, Day Five)

Thirteen players left; seven votes needed to lynch.

Updated Vote Count

1 – nesta (Hal Briston)
1 – SnakesCatLady (Idle Thoughts)
1 – Lemur866 (DiggitCamara)

So you’re not buying that I’m town, or the high likelyhood that one of the other three who voted for Lightnin’ is scum. Duly noted. FOS on Diggit. Not enough for a vote, but anyone who has a similar view will also be FOS’d by me.

If we FOS everyone who doesn’t buy that another player is town, we will FOS everyone.

I agree with you that one of the four who voted for Lightnin’ is scum. It could very well be you. You voted for Projammer on Days 2 and 3 and voted for fluiddruid very, very late on Day 4.

That very well may be true. I’ll conceed if it comes to pass that enough has been said which causes me to FOS everyone but myself over the course of this day.

I’ve always been a bit :dubious: about your definition of “late” in voting. You can be found tapping your toe a couple of times over the past few game days.

Perhaps it is just a difference in playing style, perhaps not. As I have been affected enough by rl to arrive late (and even miss a vote during game 1), I tend not to put much default scumminess on lateness. Ymmv.

I’m sorry but I don’t get this - can you expand on your reasoning?

The votes for Lightnin’ were DiggitCamara, Millit the Frail, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, and nesta (according to Gadarene’s post). There may be scum in there, but I can understand someone voting for someone outside that list if they’ve got other reasons from previous days to. I also suspect if it was town v town, that the mafia may not have got involved as obviously as they would if it were town v. scum. Since we only know one day was town v. scum (Day 3 - to a lesser extent Day 4, although that was general pile-on v. scum) I can understand why Diggit is looking at Day 3. Why does that make him suspicious?

We can’t ignore yesterday, but FOSing anyone who doesn’t vote for one of the people who voted for Lightnin’ just doesn’t make sense to me. Can you clarify?

Diggit’s analysis of Day 3 led him to suspect me and Lemur, which is pretty much 180 degrees away from either of the scenarios that I present in post #1608. One of those scenarios I’m pretty damn sure of (nesta, Millit, or Diggit being scum). All plenty of reason to FOS Diggit, from my perspective.

Yeah…but you were all ready to vote out someone who you figured wanted to be out anyway. What better an excuse (if one is scum and know that someone is town) to use your vote that way?

and SCL:

[quote=Now that that is taken care of…ok, I’m still suspicious of Zuma simply because of Omi no Kami’s thin skin and because of her record of not voting. I’m not putting a vote or even an FOS on Zuma at this time, though. I wish Omi on Kami had subbed out earlier if she was going to do so, because now, if Zuma is scum, we’re very likely to let him/her live longer just to see how he/she acts and votes.
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If anything has convinced me you are scum, it was this part here. I think Omi’s frustration and actual asking to be taken out all of shows he was town. I can’t imagine any mafia member being asked to get taken out.
So for these reasons and feelings (number one: I was never suspicious of Omi before and always felt he was probably town), it makes me feel very strongly that Zuma is pro-town too.

You and DiggitCamara though…

Well, I don’t think that sentence needs to be finished.

Bolded mine.

:slight_smile: Well, I’m flattered and honored that you feel you can trust me. Really, makes me feel kinda special. And while I’m glad I’ve garnered your trust and, in no way feel this off game wise…:)…

…I think you’re strong scum. :p;)

SO! How are you today?
Haha, but seriously now. Sorry I can’t return the trust, but the game is the game. I’m sure you understand. Heck, maybe I’m doing the mafia’s job for them. But I don’t feel it. shrugs Not at all.

Geez. I’ve actually begun dreaming about this game now.

All right, I’ve been waffling on things today, really unsure about where to go from here. On the one hand, I’m still fairly suspicious of SCL, as I have been for a while now, but on the other it seems like there wasn’t much of a push for any of the three top lynching candidates yesterday, which makes me think all three of us were town, as I’d mentioned before.

I feel like we’re back at square one, especially with our three mysterious no-kill nights. All of the analysis and debate on what they mean hasn’t helped too much and I don’t think we’re really going to be able to figure it out.

Today, I was thinking mostly of voting for one of the people who’d avoided the top three in the last lynch, because that had seemed so odd. I went back over the previous day to see if there was anything in particular about one of that group that jumped out at me and I saw this exchange in P1542, P1544 and P1545.

Lemur’s reasoning for voting for SCL seems sound enough, but it’s so…oddly convenient to come at just that point. I don’t really know what to make of it.

CaerieD, I know we suspect each other, but there is a lot of that going around. I am glad I’m not the only one who saw Lemur866’s vote as weird; either he was trying to put himself in the middle if I was lynched - thereby trying to avoid being seen as suspicious - or he was trying to distance himself from lynching another townie.

vote Lemur866.

Hahaha.

I think you’re trying to do it again SCL being as I also suspect Lemur yet suspect (as you know :p) you.

Tricky tricky!

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Yeah, that’s what it looked like to me, too. Not every third vote is necessarily scummy, but that one seemed very…off. I’d noticed it as a bit odd the first time around, but when I went back and re-read it I really paid attention to where it was in the middle of that discussion. A few minutes had gone by between posts so it seems likely that Lemur866 had seen the discussion between you and Idle Thoughts. I don’t know if I’m going to vote off of that just yet, but I thought I’d throw it out there and see what others were thinking.