Lemur put the second vote on your when he already had four votes on himself. It’s not like he was putting you in terrible danger.
That, coupled with what I said at the bottom of Post #1805, make things look very bad for you indeed.
I’ve wavered back and forth on you in my mind for quite awhile, and I’m getting the feeling that you and nesta are the two remaining scum* (with a recruitment still waiting to happen). Since I’m not yet garnering much support for my suspicions of nesta, it’s time to make a switch. My sincere apologies if I’m wrong on this.
vote SnakesCatLady
*Assuming (which I am) that there were four scum to start with.
No.
I’ve already gone over this with you before. If that fact that you voted for fluiddruid didn’t help, why would the fact you voted for Lemur help? After all, if you’re scum, you know who is who. And isn’t it very possible you could be voting for them just to throw the trail off of you? In fact, wouldn’t it be even SNEAKIER and MORE CLEVER to do this (as I said before when we were talking about why I was voting for you after you voted for fluiddruid)?
It’s entirely plausible and something I wouldn’t put past the mafia.
Heck, if you get lynched and you’re scum, I wouldn’t blame people for voting for me the next day or being suspicious of me by the same token.
If you go by the “honest scum” proposal, I think the option I bolded is most likely. Also Lemur866 just told us that if the doctor claimed Lemur866 would vote to lynch him. I think that might be further proof the doctor wasn’t recruited (yet?). P1649 can also be read to support this, and suggests that the recruit has not happened yet.
Idle Thoughts your post P1695against SCL has a flaw:
I was curious, so I looked at mafiascum to find out what the usual reaction is when a player asks to be subbed whenever questioned. As an experienced ref I can now see why you would think that Omi No Kami has to be town, and you can’t imagine a mafia member doing this. However, not everyone has that information, and without it Omi’s behaviour does look suspicious. The question remains how Gadarene would handle it, so I am trying to factor this out of consideration.
I am wondering if they thought CaerieD was a Mason. Looking back at the voting patterns, she was part of one of the groups I noticed, and if I can notice it, so can they. I was beginning to think along those lines, which is why I backed off, while stressing that the masons needed to vote pro-town. If she’s in a block and not a mafia then the scum might assume she was a mason also. (And for heaven’s sake no one confirm or deny this - unless you’re scum in which case go right ahead. )
If I get lynched - when the other townies find for sure I am one of them - I hope it will cause them to take a long, long look at you. So far, you have cleverly avoided having a final vote in on any scum lynchings, while managing to have a few final votes for now confirmed townies.
For what it is worth, I was tempted to vote for nesta with you yester-game-day, but talked myself out of it because I had scummy feelings about you earlier int the game.
I’m also still being pulled in Diggit’s general direction, but I do find the case against nesta and SnakesCatLady compelling.
My theory is SnakesCatLady is being framed. She reacted very strongly to my “pseudo”-accusations on day one, and was (apparently) a possible lightning rod for scum (prod her, she’ll viciously defend herself and attract a lot of attention.
She consistently received Lemur866’s attention and as a last ditch attempt by fluiddruid. She voted early (and kept her votes) both for **fluiddruid **and Lemur866.
I get a far stronger scum-vibe from ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies who
I too was taken aback by her murder. She was one of the more suspicious people. Thus, they couldn’t possibly have wanted her dead “just because she was a townie”, there must have been a good reason why they’d kill someone who could have potentially been lynched by the town. I think you hit the most likely option; that they thought she may have been a mason. Otherwise, it was either because she was honed in on one or more scum and they wanted to silence her OR, she was way off and they wanted a distraction for the town. That said, I’m not sure how this plays for SCL, but I’m leaning that it means she’s probably pro-town. I’m going to have to do some re-reading…
I’m beginning to suspect there is a Godfather in this game after all…
Actually if she’s lynched and she’s town I will probably be looking hard at you. Your case against her consists of her voting against scum, and while you may be right and its a double bluff, I can’t see any distinct mafia tells. Unless you are expecting her to be very clever scum, despite the fact she hasn’t played before (p473).
Fluiddruid had the detective point at her, Lemur866 both slipped, and fished for powerroles. If there were any tells like that I’d happily vote, but I just don’t see them.
(Problem is if SCL is scum then I think I can guess another mafia poster, but I can’t see any tells, apart from their posts and her reactions that could be coincidence.)
BTW, on post counts, **Rachm Qoch ** has 50 posts in the entire game (the lowest of any poster in the game and below several dead players). Please could you post some more analysis Rachm?
I’m beginning to suspect Rachm Qoch simply because there is nothing to go on. Very few posts, yet always votes. Voting record is unremarkable. She just seems to be flying under the radar enough to escape notice.
DiggitCamera, thanks for your comments. I have tried to get that across with my comments about fluiddruid laughing at the townies trying to lynch me, but maybe you’ll get through where I couldn’t. I appreciate your sticking up for me - and you won’t be sorry. (Unless you are scum, of course! )
My theory is that I think SCL is scum…and you probably are too.
But seriously…I’ve explained reasons in past posts but here’s yet another thing that trips me meter (again, just about you both). Both you and SCL also, even though you’re both on the top of my prime suspects list, say that you don’t suspect me being scum.
Will you stop reading my mind? (Its making it really difficult to keep thinking you’re scum.)
I would be interested in your opinions on some posts from the first day, page 10.
P468, P473, P481 and P482 by Lemur866, SCL and Diggit drew my attention early,
P486 Lemur866 “But in order to head off the Lightning lynch, we’ve got to pick someone else, and that means bandwagoning on one of the people who have three votes already, compared to Lightning’s five. And honestly, I don’t feel any strong difference between Projammer and Omi No Kami and Lightning.” Wouldn’t this point back at Omi No Kami as the only candidate left to be scum, or would the “honest scum” rule apply, and Lemur866 be telling the truth about seeing no difference?
P489 - also looks odd to me.
P497 - SCL votes for Diggit, but I can’t see Diggit being in danger.
Problem is, as I said its easy to build a case against anyone - I just don’t see that the evidence against her is greater than the case against anyone else.
Also I can’t build links between SCL and diggit to** fluiddruid**, which I would have thought would have occurred early on when they couldn’t discuss. If anyone can, please let me know - I haven’t had a thorough look.
SCL’s first vote for fluiddruid could have been camoflage (which would argue for the Diggit vote being the same). However she stuck with it through 3 days (2, 3 and 4). As I don’t think the mafia knew that Kyrie was the Detective they would not have created a plan to deal with that situation. (Huge assumption, admittedly). And it was mentioned that they can’t discuss off-board during the day, so they couldn’t discuss strategy and react then.
So if SCL was scum, why wasn’t she “persuaded” away from fluiddruid on Day 3, in the same way that CaerieD was? Had she already decided to sacrifice fluiddruid? Its possible - especially if the scum were splitting their vote.
I’ve got a lot of questions but no answers.
Of course if she’s not scum, that brings me back to the complicated option and looking at Idle Thoughts (pushing for SCL lynching) and Omi No kami/zuma (named twice by fluiddruid, once by lemur866, few final votes, won’t defend).
I have been letting the whole CaerieD kill simmer a bit and… well, I’ve come up with a theory.
But to complete my theory, I’d like to ask everyone else: could you please list your suspicions about CaerieD? Particularly: when and why did you suspect CaerieD? What post? Who else did you implicate?
I’ll start:
Until I analyzed Day 3 I didn’t particularly suspect CaerieD
And there’s the triple crown. As you know, and as I’ve said many times in here, you are the only other person I’m suspicous about. And you too, just now, said you trust me (in a very round about, kinda, sorta way)
However, admitted, you’re at the very bottom of the suspected list, so I’m still willing to give you the benifet of the doubt.
It could go either way, I think. In that post, Lemur named a lot of names, but didn’t name anyone specifically. Also, look at the results. Both Lightnin’ and Projammer were town. and I’ve always had the strong feeling Omi No Kami was too. I think he was flipping a coin trying to decide between what three townies to vote for, something he couldn’t lose at.
However in the case with SCL she was specifically mentioned (as was Lemur earlier) by fluiddruid. Not in a huge group or anything. As small as this may be. I do feel it makes a difference.
So, with those suspicions of mine in place…
I noticed this too. Along with Diggits and SCLs votes for Lemur in the last round.
So since I was already suspicious of SCL at that point, I think they were trying to set up another couple of throw offs by voting and pointing at each other. I had said this a lot of times even way early in the game…that the mafia must be doing a really good job of fighting amongst themselves and disagreeing because my suspicions were (are still are) about people who were actually suspicious (publically) of each other.
So based on those two posts, It made me also start to grow suspicious of Diggit too. That was one.
Second came from him voting for Omi No Kami just based on him ONK wanting out and figuring it’d be a good reason to vote anyway. So by this time my suspicion was bigger.
And finally, third came from, like I said above, his vote against scum Lemur in the end. Which struck me as another possible throw off (because, look, SCL did it too.)
And…
so did you. But I disgress on that for now. : p
Well, that’s fine. You may really be town and you may have your own suspicions. But I’ve said it before. If she really is town, why wouldn’t the mafia (who knows who really is what) vote for her if she really WAS town and I really AM town? That way it’d bump her off and, like you said earlier, put a LOT of suspicion on me the next day.
Yet the votes against her haven’t done this the last three days (when I started mentioning this fact two days ago).
So the case has to be one of the following:
I’m town and she’s town (but why haven’t the scum done the above yet?)
I’m scum and she’s town (then why aren’t they helping me get her lynched in the day when they could have started two or three days ago when she already had about three votes against her)
I’m town and she’s scum (which actually fits the best, makes the most sense and helps explain/would help explain a lot of things.)
I don’t believe I’ve mentioned her at all. Perhaps in passing, but she’s really been kind of under my radar. At least, she was until Lemur turned up as scum. In my look back through his posts, I found a lot of evidence that pointed to the possibility of CaerieD being scum. Obviously I never posted it, as her murder was a pretty effective way of clearing her name.
I would ask the same of zuma. Obviously, you’ve had a helluvalotta catching up to do, but have you anything to add yet? Any suspicions? Any obvious scum tells you’d care to accidentally let slip?
If that fact that you voted for fluiddruid didn’t help, why would the fact you voted for Lemur help? After all, if you’re scum, you know who is who. And isn’t it very possible you could be voting for them just to throw the trail off of you? In fact, wouldn’t it be even SNEAKIER and MORE CLEVER to do this (as I said before when we were talking about why I was voting for you after you voted for fluiddruid)?
