Adding: Idle Thoughts, can you provide lists of confirmed scum asking for vote counts? (in other words: did **fluiddruid **and/or **Lemur866 **ask for vote counts at all? I would have loved to add them to my post, but frankly I didn’t find them)
The day ends tomorrow morning, right? We still need to hear votes from nesta, Rachm Qoch, Blaster Master, and zuma.
All of them have looked shady to me at one time or another, and now they’re all hanging back, waiting to get their votes in. Possibly waiting to see if a Mafia needs saving at the last minute or if a townie gets a bandwagon rolling. Possibly just away from their computers, though.
I tried to say this in my last post, but I think it came out a lot more convoluted than I meant it to. Less action means less to go on, and there’s been a lot less action these past few days. It looks like four or five people are making the big decisions in this game, and everyone else is just reacting. I’m kind of guilty of this myself. And only two or three people at a time are receiving scrutiny in any serious way, which means that there are plenty of players who have never been “on the spot.” If we could rally together and start testing some other players, say, tomorrow (since it’s so late today), we could see what happens when we drum up a few votes. I mean not just one or two votes, but a real threat. I’m talking about those players I listed above, none of whom have ever received a serious number of votes.
Also, it has sometimes been beneficial in past games to do detailed posting analyses on certain suspicious posters. Will there come a time for that in this game? I think that the four posters I’ve mentioned deserve it at some point. I wouldn’t be surprised if at least two are scum.
I never looked. Nor have I been paying attention. I just saw your call out to me based on your asking for a count update and remembered that too (as you obviously did : p) from over yonder.
I then realized that I’d never really seen that before from town in my experience…but then again, it’s all different games. But no matter, I assumed (and still do) that that was the false one.
But all of this is moot anyway since it’s neither adding to or subtracting my suspicion of you. That was set into place way before and all of this, since, was my amused (and probably way off, which I said) observations.
Do you even read what you yourself have posted? Because I do read what I have posted. And see my own mistakes in it.
I’m serious. It’s one of the ways to try to eliminate confirmation bias. I look, for instance, at my “reasons” to indict Lightnin’. I try to see my mistakes. I try to learn.
That’s one of the reasons why I read through the 3rd day’s events. And why I have FOS’d whom I have FOS’d and treated as “trusted” some other players as well. And it’s something that I will doing on tuesday. Again.
Trusting my own “experience” is a treacherous thing to do. It’s absolutely unadvisable. All it takes is for one poster to trip one of my ego-wires and I’ll go off on a tangent. And that’s what I see, writ large, all over your own posts. Stop hyping your own experience and start watching what is truly happening.
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Excuse me? Yeah, I do. I probably have read this topic more than anyone actually, over and over and over. Why do you think I feel so sure of myself who the mafia remaining are? I have no job. I have no classes to attend. I don’t even have a life. I sit online most all day and now that I have something to do (this game) I’ve been going through it all every day and reading parts over and over. And the things I’ve outlined all through my posts the last four days or so, what with suspicions of you, SCL, and tirial come from those readings and notes.
Now I know exactly what I meant that started this off a few posts ago and you’re making a strawman out of it. I made an offhand comment that I found it funny what you were doing (or rather SEEMED to be doing) and that it struck me funny. DID I SAY you were scum for those reasons? No. I wasn’t even using that as fodder. It was just something I noticed the struck me as funny since that’s what it seemed like.
After Gad posted that whole list in that Mafia 4 topic, he started laughing too, didja catch that? He started saying things like “haha hilarious” and “very funny” because he saw what I did in there too and what I did in THIS TOPIC. That it just seemed like people started to do that a lot. Does it mean anything? Does it mean Gad is scum in the other game? Does it mean he should be lynched right away for finding posts funny that apparently reflect what he just posted? NO, it doesn’t nessacarily. It only means that I just found it funny and laughed at it. Did you not notice the smile? I wasn’t being sarcastic, you know. I was being sincere when I said “You make me laugh”…because of what it seemed you were trying to do.
Only now you’re building it up and trying to make it MEAN something. You’re linking to all these past posts and stuff which have NOTHING to do with what I mean since I was JOKING. Have others done that? Yeah. Have dead players done that? Yeah. Have people who are confirmed town did that? Yeah. Have YOU even done that before and long ago in this topic? Yeah, apparently (since you linked to it). But Jesus **Christ, Gads post wasn’t made THEN. It was only made NOW and thus, I noticed your posts NOW and found funny since I already had suspicions of you strongly and it just seemed you were subtly doing exactly all he listed.
I’ll accept that at face value.
The problem is, from what I have read during this gameday, you haven’t actually reflected your convictions (concerning SnakesCatLady at least in this thread.
The only real reason I see for anyone to vote aganst her (in this thread) has been because she was listed in the accusation list of known scum.
Since I suppose her to be non-scum and you to be non-scum as well, I will, loathe though I am to do it, unvote ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies. And vote Idle Thoughts.
My suspicion list (in decreasing order) is still
- ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
- BlasterMaster
Actually what I meant to say was:
he problem is, from what I have read during this gameday, you haven’t actually substantiated your convictions (concerning SnakesCatLady) at least in this thread.
That’s because it’s all there already. I’ve said and repeated myself a few times each day, even going back and forth, at times, with her and others about it. I can link to past posts if you like, but nothing changes. I still feel the same ways and am voting for the same reasons.
But anyway, this is interesting in itself. I’m now voted on by the three people I’m the most suspicious of.
When I go, and am found to be town, I really hope the other players will finally start looking at you three the way I’ve been looking at you three all this time.
Updated Vote Count
3 – SnakesCatLady (Idle Thoughts, Hal Briston, Millit the Frail)
2 – Idle Thoughts (SnakesCatLady, DiggitCamara)
Is that right?
Also, the way you guys are meta-analyzing my Mafia IV list is hysterical. 
Idle Thoughts:
By my count you’ve got two votes. Is this wrong?
I believe tirial also voted for Idle Thoughts. First, according to my notes.
:dubious: :dubious: :dubious:
Boldings mine.
Reading your post over again, what the heck? You’re voting for me even though you suppose me to be non-scum? :dubious: How much sense does that make? If you think both her and I are non-scum, why bother voting for either of us then?
Oh, and you’ve come a long way from just earlier today (a mere four hours ago)saying what you said in this post:
Bolding mine…but not all of it since you, yourself, already had the word “know” bolded.
Wow, so that sure in your knowing (just four hours ago) yet here you are being the tie-breaker for my lynching?
Congratulations, DiggitCamara. You have succeeded in surpassing SnakesCatLady as my leading suspect. No small feat as I’m about 85 percent sure she’s scum…but I’m now 97 percent sure you are.
So unvote SnakesCatLady and vote DiggitCamara even though that will mean I’ll need TWO more votes now to tie it up. Your major inconsistancy there just can’t be ignored though and I hope I’m not the only one to catch it.
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What I mean is, even though I’ll need two more votes for SCL (or a full three for someone else entirely) to tie it up and have my neck saved.
See, I’m doing it too. 
Ah yes; it was a different shade of blue. Thanks!
Updated Updated Vote Count
3 – Idle Thoughts (tirial, SnakesCatLady, DiggitCamara)
2 – SnakesCatLady (Hal Briston, Millit the Frail)
1 – DiggitCamara (Idle Thoughts)
Oh! I didn’t know Hal voted for SCL too. :smack:
Okay, well, I’ve been sitting here for the past hour really thinking hard and long about this post. Debating whether or not to post it, what to say if I did, if I thought it would be in my and my teams best interest, and all that.
But really, time is growing short–which isn’t bad in itself…but for me it is, as I usually leave around another three or so hours and don’t get on again, in the daytimes, until noon my time.
By that time, tomorrow, Day in the game will be long over.
So, first off, due to the pressing time and due to missing Hal’s vote for SCL before, I’m going to tie it up again by unvoting DiggitCamara and voting SnakesCatLady again.
I want to say though, just so it’s not held against me later (like it was this time even though I said this before for others), that I feel VERY VERY strongly that Diggit is scum too. However, I can only vote for one person (for one) and (for two) a vote for another person I think is scum that will tie it up with my vote count seems the best choice.
I wish I could wait longer. I had hoped more people would have voted by now…but it seems in this game the fad is to get a lot of last minute voting in. This, combined with when this Day ends, is unfortunate for me, again, because I’m never on anytime before 11ish/noonish PST time.
But since I’m leaving in a few hours and my head is one of those (tied now for being) on the chopping block, it’s just too risky to keep my vote on Diggit and not make it a draw right now. Besides…I’ve had strong suspicions on SCL almost as far back as Day Three.
That being said…here’s the next part to my post. Again, I thought about this for a long time. Wondering what to do, fighting with myself a bit, weighing the options. And in the end, when your head’s the one in the noose (or even tied for it) and you’re not going to be around later to defend yourself, well, I figured this is a good time as any to bring all the things I can to light.
Again, I wish I could have waited longer. But in no less than about three hours, I’ll be gone for good from the game until tomorrow when Day is over by a longshot. I just can’t risk it and, well, I just got to hope that the the real pro-towners believe me and thus know of at least one person not to vote for.
So, without further ado…
I’m the Night Watchman.
Yeah, it’s me. Do I know if I’ve made any saves so far? Nope. But now you know why I think that that whole three-in-a-row nokills was our own Doc being recruited. Because I don’t think I’m that lucky.
Sure, it could have been me…but I wouldn’t bet on it. Really, I wouldn’t bet, in surity, on anything in this game.
But anyway, here’s the lowdown on what I’ve done so far:
Night one I chose to patrol the Village Green.
Night two I choose to patrol the Tavern.
Ah…Night three… the moment I thought, for once, that I was right. See I chose the Village Green again…and lo and behold we have this the next dawn.
Well, that was interesting. I chose the Village Green and that’s where the day started. Now, I KNOW now that Gad makes that the default if there was a block/nokill. But I didn’t at the time. So that is what brought me to this assumption when I was talking to Blaster Master.
But Diggit caught that in this post.
So that’s what prompted me (and others) to ask about it.
Gad cleared it up here though. And that didn’t make sense to me since I saw him personalize Night kills before…so that is what finally led to me saying this here. Just so I knew, for sure, that I wouldn’t have any extra tidbits of knowledge. Pity, but I guess that’s how the role goes.
Anyway, continuing on…Night Four I patrolled the Railroad Tracks and I did so again on Night Five. Both of those were (the other two) nokill nights.
Night Six (last one, the Night CaerieD was taken from us) I patroled the Town Hall. Obviously they killed her at The Wharf.
And there you have it. I’m not saying what I’m patroling tonight, obviously, nor will I be taking suggestions. But I’m the Night Watchman and NOW those of you who voted for me, if I AM really the one that winds up getting it, you’ll look even worse. Because I’m still protown. I haven’t been recruited, and personally, with the three nokills in a row, I don’t see how anyone could think I was recruited. The chances that I’d be right TWICE in a row is plausible…but I think very unlikely. So, like Rachm Qoch and I said earlier, I think the first two were a hit on our Doc and the last nokill was the recruit.
I think that was Tirial…since way back before the first nokill night, she and I were among the biggest, most analytical, and most aggressive players (and remained so). This is what lead me to think that they tried hitting one of us (her) and found they couldn’t since she had protected herself.
So go on now. Vote for me and kill me off. I dare you. Like I said before, the three I find the MOST suspicious are the three voting for me right now, so in a way I actually hope they DON’T change their votes just so we can see what things really are and if I’m right (and I feel I am). Yeah, that’s interesting. It’ll also be interesting to see if they keep their vote on me and claim they don’t believe me or think I was recruited. Again, here’s hoping.
But no matter. In any case, I feel my time is up for this game. Even if they unvote, I feel the next Night will be my killing.
HOWEVER, one other thing I thought in my 45 minutes of thoughts. It did occur to me that the scum might try casting a “nokill” vote for the next night and having everyone think I was recruited. It’d be pretty smart…so if that does happen the next night, I wouldn’t believe it (since, like I said, I think recruitment already happened).
There it all is laid out. Do with it what you will. At least I still have about two or two and a half hours to answer questions or give defense if anyone wants to challenge me or accuse me of anything.
So yeah, if you’re really pro-town, you can erase me from your list of suspects and put them elsewhere. If not though, that’s fine. Won’t look too good for you in the end, however.
Wow. Why am I not surprised at that vote change? As for the role claim, well, whatever. If you are Night Watchman (who damn sure won’t be doing the town much good now, will you?) or not, it looks like it’s the players who haven’t yet voted have to decide to vote against a player who votes against scum or a player who talks about scum. Or Random.org.
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That’s a rather ballsy move there Idle Thoughts. Not that I disagree with you. DiggitCamara has been near the top of my suspicion list for a long time, and I very much agree that his saying he was sure that you are town and then voting for you is about as close to a smoking gun as we’re likely to get in this game. But your neck is on the line and if we divide our votes between SnakesCatLady and DiggitCamara it could be you that gets lynched instead.
<out-of-game>I’ve been really slammed for the last three days because one of our client’s servers went down, and data recovery has taken a number of ugly turns. Dealing with this has taken all the time I’d hoped to dedicate to this game (and other things) this weekend. Bah.</out of game>
For the record: Idle Thoughts has been one of the few in my “probably town” list for most of the game. I really hope I’m right. If you are scum Idle Thoughts you played a great game. It’s possible he’s been recruited, but I think it’s more likely tirial was, or someone else who isn’t quite so in the limelight.
Since I think Idle Thoughts is town, and I think both SnakesCatLady and DiggitCamera are scum, I really think it’s in the town’s best interest to lynch one of them instead.
So, [was blue]vote DiggitCamara. I really think he’s scum, and have for quite some time. I’m more confident that he is than SnakesCatLady.
I think Hal Briston said he was going to be out of town this weekend, so I’m not sure if he’s going to be back in time to change his vote, or even if he would. Millit the Frail, care to change your vote to DiggitCamera so we don’t lynch Idle Thoughts?
I will switch my vote to SnakesCatLady later tonight if it’s a choice between her and Idle Thoughts, but I feel more strongly about DiggitCamara so I feel my vote should be there right now.
[bah, I got interrupted with work again while composing this post, and now Idle Thoughts has switched back.]
Goddamnit Idle Thoughts, you had to role claim the only role we have left that can help us? There was still time to save you from lynching without the role claim. Now, if the doctor wasn’t recruited they could protect you, but if they haven’t been recruited the Mafia probably knows who they are and they’ve been self-protecting for many nights in a row, which means they are in a very tough guessing game now between protecting themselves and you. I think you’re dead tonight. That role claim was stupid (if true I guess).
If it isn’t true we have the real night watchman that knows you are scum now. Hm, unless the real night watchman was recruited, and you know that. But I can’t dwell on that now because I have work to do and I believe you’re town for now for better or worse.
So, I’ll stand by you, even though I don’t like your role claim, and am actually less convinced you are town now than before:
Vote SnakesCatLady. Idle Thoughts, I would be willing to switch back to DiggitCamera if you and a few others would also be willing to.
I find it interesting how this contrasts with what you said further up the page here in Post #1889:
To clarify, Lemur’s post you’re linking to is:
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Let me get this straight. You state in no uncertain terms that because she’s scum, fluiddruid’s final posts are so cleverly constructed that there’s no way to gather any useful information from them one way or another, but turn around and say that Lemur’s final posts somehow let SCL off the hook?
Hwuuuhhhhh?
Yeah, you’re scum. vote DiggitCamara
Well, looks like I’m going to swing. The town is not likely to win if they keep on lynching townies. For what it is worth, I am very suspicious of zuma, who hasn’t contributed anything to the discussion since he subbed in. Combined with Omi no Kami’s record, I think he is someone to look closely at.
I am suspicious of Idle Thoughts. No matter what excuses he comes up with, I can’t see how he is so adamant when I am scum, especially since my record of voting against scum is better than his. I do want to make sure that the townies remember who led this lynching and deprived the town of another member.
With the exception of Idle Thoughts, everyone who has voted for me has relatively low post counts. They all should be looked at closely.
It will be interesting to see how this game plays out.