Distancing yourself from your vote is a way to say, “I’m voting for this person, and I hope they die, but don’t blame it on me.”
In Day 2 of M2:Werewolf, the town as a whole attacked power role after power role, forcing them into claiming. When one would get 3 votes on them, they’d claim, and the vote would shift to another power role. Like the Nelly song with Tim McGraw, “Over and Over Again”. The scum just sat back and watched, laughing, as the town exposed all their power players in this way. So, saying, “I’m voting for the person with the most votes who hasn’t claimed yet,” is basically saying, “let’s see how many power roles we can get to claim before the end of the Day.”
Oh, and for the OneCentStamp wagon… are you people serious? You’re going to essentially randomly lynch a lurker? The reasoning for that lynch is SERIOUSLY lacking and particularly since he had no votes before halfway through the previous page, this just stinks even more because we haven’t had a chance to let him defend himself.
Meanwhile, I’ve made a case for NAF1138 that has been out there since before the weekend. Do none of you find him suspicious? Would you all rather vote essentially randomly than for him? What part of my case against him do you find less convincing than a Lynch All Lurkers vote?
Well, it looks as if I’m in the lead, and at least one of my voters said that he won’t be back to change his vote. At this late hour, I think that means I may well be headed to the gallows.
I’m not going to claim. If I do, it just increases the chances that a last minute voting flurry hangs someone else, but meanwhile I’m out in the open and may as well be dead anyway. So I think I’m doing the town a favor by standing pat.
I wish right now I had the time, but with the person (well people) I’ve focused on claiming, and the end of the day nigh, I just don’t have the time to go back and evaluate again.
Honestly don’t know which is better for the town at this point, just to ensure a lynch, or not move on someone based on the not enough information. I am wondering just how many roles as a % are out there now though; seems like either we’re very VERY good at picking them out, or there’s a large number compared to vanilla.
After a bunch of rereading, I’m going to have to side with [B}Blaster Master**. I’m just not seeing the lurker vote right now, and all the claims have thrown other things into confusion. This is the only thing I’ve found that I can bring myself to agree with, even if it’s not compeltely.
So let us not lynch him for it. I think the cases against Naf, Dotchan, and Milli are all better than the one against off One Cent. I prefer not voting for Naf, because I think it is more likely he is a recruit than the godfather. Dotchan’s explanation for not wanting to post more in this game was more suspicious than anything Onecent has done. In fact:
Santo, I think your unvoting broke the tie. Now, by my count, One Cent is in the lead again. Plus, a tie isn’t a no lynch, it is a random pick, if I recall correctly.
Lynching is definitely in our favor. If there were a case behind OneCentStamp, I might could see lynching him, but if it’s just for being a lurker… why not another random lurker? If they can’t give me a reason why they find him more suspicious than another lurker, it boils down to essentially a random vote. Bottom line, we have enough information at this stage such that a random vote is not only unnecessary but anti-town. How many times do I have to say that lurking, in and of itself, is NOT a scum tell?
On a more serious note, I tend to treat lurking as simply not having sufficient time to dedicate to the game. If someone is deliberately lurking, townie or scum, I consider it poor form because you’re not actually playing. That’s to say, I don’t expect everyone to post 50x a day (in fact, everyone please don’t, it’s impossible to keep up), but it is more fun if everyone invests the time and effort to post at least 3-5 times a Day. As such, I prefer to treat lurking as an inability to post due to real life concerns, and I will never use lurking as a reason to lynch. However, I do, of course, reserve the right to still use post distribution as part of my reasoning, but never as a singular point.
I’m going to** vote NAF**. There is no real hard evidence for my vote, but I feel like I need to vote for someone, and with all the claims…sigh…this just seems as good a place as any. Sorry for the wimp vote.
Santo, can you at least briefly explain why a no lynch would be beneficial? Certainly, leaving it at a tie is even worse, because a well intentioned towny, or an insidious scum, could easily tip the scale at the last second.
FTR, I found the dotchan point odd, but not necessarily a scum tell. If that’s all there is for her, I can’t support that wagon. I haven’t had a chance to finish catching up yet, so I don’t know the evidence behind Millit, but I hadn’t had a read on her yet either. I’ll try to see if I can find the vote posts for her…
Don’t let there be a tie, we need a lynch. I will self hammer if that is what needs to be done. I won’t vote for OneCent, but I would rather see myself lynched than see no one lynched. I am utterly expendable, don’t worry about it.
Ok, so a few thoughts before I die (because I am guessing I will)
I think the masons and the beat cops should role claim first thing tomorrow. I think a couple of masons have given themselves away already, so you might as well make it public. And it would be better to know who you all are. I also think that the beat cops should claim and use the round robin investigation style hawk proposed. With that large a number of claims out there whe pool that the scum can hide in will be very small. They can then be picked out more easily. And quickly. Speed is an issue. Town can’t afford another mislynch after today.
Vig, I think you outed yourself sometime earlier in the game. That is ok, and I DON’T think you should claim. If you get recruited we are kind of screwed as a team, but be more careful in the future, and I hope I am wrong. Please pick SOMEONE to kill every Night.
3)Please remember my list of probably recruits. Going forward I don’t think anyone on that list will get recruited, but I am certain that someone on it already has been. Some of them will have also been recruited into power role positions. That is ok, please don’t let any of them survive until endgame.
4)Town needs to start finding better reasons to lynch people. Just because someone does something that you precieve as anti town doesn’t mean it is pro scum. Stop looking for anti town behavior and start looking for pro scum behavior. Ask yourself, how does this benefit the scum, not how does this hurt the town. We need to get townies to stop making anti town plays, but anti town plays are a null tell more than anything. Town makes them an aweful lot.
5)Don’t allow players like MHaye to lurk just because they say they want to. It will kill the town in the end.
6)Don’t trust or rely on power roles. Any recruitable power role is only reliable the Day they claim. If a role is going to claim the role has to do it early in the Day so the town can get the maximum benefit from the claim.
Ok, I am done. This will be my first time getting lynched, its kinda cool.