Just as a reminder, I claimed as well, as a reformed-Vig.
I’m perfectly happy where my vote lies; Darth did not in any way correct my feelings. I’m pretty sure NAF IS vanilla town (but I can be proven wrong, just look at last nights kill…ugh); I don’t feel the same about Darth.
HNC is onto something. It may be too late, but
unvote NAF
vote Darth Sensitive
I don’t see the contradiction. He voted dotchan, because he didn’t see a better choice, but without conviction and was pessimistic about actually finding anything.
I’m more comfortable with NAF than ever. Something about his Jewish Mother self-martyrdom rubs me the wrong way.
Sorry guys, very busy day yesterday. I’m going to try and catch up before Dusk and see if there’s anything on which I need to comment.
This is not correct. I do not recall mentioning having seen any Vig tells until Today in Post 1138, which I didn’t actually post until after the Vig claimed anyway. IIRC, NAF was the only one to make any mention of Vig tells prior to Koldanar’s claim. Of course, I was wrong on the tells, but I obviously wasn’t the only one.
You’ll also see in the post I linked that I only mentioned that I’d seen tells because, if I was accurate, then the scum weren’t going to recruit him anyway, and thus his silence only hurts the town.
So, if you find mentioning a Vig-tell and recommending he out himself a scum tell, I believe NAF was the first to do that. I may be incorrect, but it doesn’t matter, because I believe the logic is sound, so I don’t see any way to extract a higher anti-town motive.
I was thinking the same thing Menocchio, but without the Jewish Mother reference.
NETA: Damn, I should have read a few more posts and I would have seen that last one was pointless… sorry.
This kind of vote bugs me, because there’s no substance to it. What about my math is misleading? I’ve deliberately posted as much info as I can about where my math came from without doing a step-by-step derivation. Were any of my conclusions bad? If I were scum, what would be my motivation for whatever is misleading about my math?
Sorry for the lack of substance, it just made me say, “Huh?”, in a way that it never had before. I think it’s obvious to everybody I haven’t been paying as much attention as I should be this time around. 
I don’t see Darth’s contradiction either. But I’m keeping my vote on him because of how he voted for Hazel.
No. A Townie should put up a defense, but it’s counter-productive to fight it out to the end.
I think NAF is probably Town. Frustrated Town. While I disagree with some of his strategies, nothing he’s done strikes me as scum motivated. Still, anyone voting for themselves probably should die, and I don’t have a problem with his lynch.
Am I missing something, or has NAF still not claimed? Should we be assuming from his self-vote that his claim is vanilla town?
NAF1138 (10): Blaster Master, Menocchio, Hawkeyeop, Hotflungwok, (dotchan II), (Pleonast), Millit the Frail, (Hockey Monkey), Drain Bead, dotchan II, NAF1138, MHaye, bufftabby
Darth Sensitive (8): Hal Briston, (NAF1138), OneCentStamp, (bufftabby), HazelNutCoffee, (Drain Bead), Koldanar, Pleonast, Santo Rugger, USCDiver [sub for Diomedes], Hockey Monkey
HazelNutCoffee (1): Darth Sensitive
Blaster Master (0): (NAF1138)
bufftabby (0): (NAF1138)
Millit the Frail (0): (NAF1138)
I thought this discussion was already pretty much settled. The point was that the strategical advantage of recruiting on Night One is fairly obvious, obvious enough that I simply couldn’t imagine anyone going against it that logic. Obviously, I was wrong. Why did the boss kill? He could be a new player, could be an older player trying to double-bluff. You’re correct in saying that discussing WHY it was done is a WIFOM discussion and not worth while.
As for the “we should only concentrate on highly probably events” is a misunderstanding of what I was trying to say. My point was, we gain information through infering probabilities to events and roles. At the time, logic dictated that the Boss was HIGHLY likely to have recruited, so it made sense to focus on that. However, I never said forget unlikely events. Now that we have confirmable information about that Night that contradicts it, we can reassign our probabilities appropriately (0 and 1, instead of about 0.9 and 0.1 I’d have estimated before) and we have some good hard pieces of information.
So, yes, it’s entirely possible an experienced player is playing WIFOM with the kill, but using that to FOS specifically me makes no sense, as I wasn’t the only one who is experienced and was fairly certain it was a recruit and not a kill (IIRC, NAF is another one who fits that description). Either way, The argument just doesn’t hold water, because the motivation for town is there as well, in wanting to understand what has happened.
Seems that way to me.
I just don’t see it. DS is coming off as way scummier than NAF to me…just don’t get it…
I don’t have anything to claim.
I don’t feel great about self voting but I really did give it a good bit of thought. At this point I don’t know what to do to not seem suspicious, and I am grasping at straws because no idea I have is gaining any traction because everyone thinks I am suspicious.
I think there is a good chance that Darth might be scum, but this Day let me know that I don’t know what the heck I am doing in this particular game, but I do know that I am hurting the town.
I will try and find time in the next hour to look at the people who were driving the suspicion against me early, but I can’t really guarantee I will be able to. ToDay may end up being good for the town, I suspect someone has shown thier colors as scum, I am just unable to see who it is.
To be honest, I’m now getting the same feeling about NAF that I am about Darth S. That being so, my vote feels very shaky, since I’ve refused to vote for Darth on those grounds.
I’m seriously thinking of forcing a tie and putting the decision into the hands of random chance.
NAF, if you really think there’s a good chance Darth may be scum, then you need to vote for him. Go back to the basics: vote for who you think is likely scum.
But doing that really puts the decision into the hands of whoever feels like making a last-minute switch.
Fuck it, your right. Sorry, I am being a prima donna.
**unvote NAF1138
vote Darth**
Now someone break the tie please.
NAF1138 (9): Blaster Master, Menocchio, Hawkeyeop, Hotflungwok, (dotchan II), (Pleonast), Millit the Frail, (Hockey Monkey), Drain Bead, dotchan II, (NAF1138), MHaye, bufftabby
Darth Sensitive (9): Hal Briston, NAF1138*, OneCentStamp, (bufftabby), HazelNutCoffee, (Drain Bead), Koldanar, Pleonast, Santo Rugger, USCDiver [sub for Diomedes], Hockey Monkey
HazelNutCoffee (1): Darth Sensitive
Blaster Master (0): (NAF1138)
bufftabby (0): (NAF1138)
Millit the Frail (0): (NAF1138)