[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee]
I’m not voting for you NAF, but I think your idea is interesting. However, I’m wondering if everyone listing suspicions is just going to make it easier for scum to choose who to try and recruit.
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No more so than an unsuccesfull lynch would.
My #2 suspect would be Millit the Frail, I think, for his Day 2 Dawn speculation on why a player died. (Smells of fishing for information.)
[QUOTE=Darth Sensitive]
HNC - Like I said earlier in the Day, I voted for dotchan mk1 because I thought it was the least bad choice. I thought that OneCentStamp had done nothing other than not being inflammatory, and that NAF1138 was very vocal town that would be best to keep around for a while, though a lynch would eventually be needed.
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Hm.
Why didn’t you just vote for who you thought was the most scummy?
I just don’t see how one can regret a lynch one helped to bring about before the lynchee’s side is even revealed.
[QUOTE=NAF1138]
No more so than an unsuccesfull lynch would.
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Yes, more so. The scum will recruit people who aren’t pinging our general scumdar. What better way of knowing who that is than to get half the town’s top two suspects?
Or they’ll recruit people who are already “confirmed” town, which is why I think the Beat Cops and Chief should probably be checking my work periodically a few days later. But you guys already thought of that, I’m sure. 
[QUOTE=NAF1138]
I will ask, one more time, if the people who are voting for me will please list who they would vote for if I was already dead.
I am not asking you to unvote, I don’t want you to unvote, but I really would like to keep this Day from being a total waste.
Who is everyone’s #2 and why?
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Now, this smacks of fishing for info. Like I said, a great way to broadcast who’s in trouble and who’s not to the scum. It’s important to vote and to tell us your number one suspects, but I feel like lists (even lists of two) are confusing the point. It’s also really easy for scum to get in a pseudo-vote for another scum so that later they can say, “Look! I was suspicious of so-and-so!” FOS’s are cheap and you never have to be accountable for them, and I feel like NAF is forcing everyone to make an FOS. If you want to show all of us who else you would like to vote for, then…do it tomorrow, when you’ve got more info! Provided you’re still here. Your second-place person might turn up dead in the morning. If so, then you’ve gotten the scum to take out one of the more suspicious-looking characters. That’s a one-up for us. They want to leave the suspicious ones for us to take care of, and if they nightkill, they’ll nightkill someone we weren’t going to use the noose on any time soon. For instance, I’m not going to get whacked toNight, no freakin’ way.
As for myself, I’m in an f-ing catch-22. I get defensive, and people look at me weird. I stay calm, and people look at me weird. I know I’ve only got one vote on me, but I know how fast these lynches can swing the other way and I won’t be on the boards at all from probably 2 or 3AM until 11AM, unless I finish my test early and can run to the computer lab between 10:30 and 11. I have no case to make for myself since no one can tell me what I did wrong–it’s always a “feeling.” I’ve done only two notable things–I started a misguided bandwagon and almost got Hal lynched, and then I broke the tie and helped get dotchan lynched (instead of NAF) yesterDay. All of my “fishing for info” was really just me trying to post something of substance and get people thinking. After all, it was my first post of Day 2, and Day 1 had gone by with so little thought and analysis that I was aching to get started with picking posts apart and rooting out motivations.
And my “appeal to emotions” is really just me wishing you well, Drain Bead. I wouldn’t use that to manipulate you or anyone else. Sorry if you thought I would, but I’m not that kind of person. It’s just a message board game! I won’t let it turn me evil!!
Fine, you all have wasted your Day 4. I don’t know how I can make myself seem anymore townie, but I know I don’t want to go through another Day like this.
Unvote Millit
Vote NAF1138
Sorry guys, I tried to not be a distraction, but you guys wouldn’t let it go. I tried to turn the conversation away from me and the conversation stopped.
Good luck you will need it.
[QUOTE=NAF1138]
Fine, you all have wasted your Day 4. I don’t know how I can make myself seem anymore townie, but I know I don’t want to go through another Day like this.
Unvote Millit
Vote NAF1138
Sorry guys, I tried to not be a distraction, but you guys wouldn’t let it go. I tried to turn the conversation away from me and the conversation stopped.
Good luck you will need it.
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Jackass.
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger]
Jackass.
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Probably, but still what I think is best for the town.
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger]
Jackass.
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Chill out, man! I don’t want you to get the smackdown. I’m frustrated with him too, though.
NAF, do you even enjoy playing? If you really are town, then don’t go down without a fight. You could always vote DS and force someone to break the tie. Forcing a tie can bring out the best/worst in people, and you’ve got all the motivation to do so. I’ve still got my vote on you, but it’s no fun playing with people who give up when things look bad.
[QUOTE=Millit the Frail]
Chill out, man! I don’t want you to get the smackdown. I’m frustrated with him too, though.
NAF, do you even enjoy playing? If you really are town, then don’t go down without a fight. You could always vote DS and force someone to break the tie. Forcing a tie can bring out the best/worst in people, and you’ve got all the motivation to do so. I’ve still got my vote on you, but it’s no fun playing with people who give up when things look bad.
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I don’t think that forcing a tie would be good for the town. I like playing, don’t think of this as me giving up so much as it is a sacrifice play.
If I don’t get lynched toDay I only see myself going through this again tomorrow. I think I have said everything that I have to say, maybe me dieing will allow people to actually look at what I was saying without looking for the hidden agenda.
I think we need more role claims, I think we need to talk about our suspicions, I think we need to get the people with post counts in the 30’s talking more, and I think we need to lynch the people that absolutly can not be trusted.
Right now that includes me.
[QUOTE=Millit the Frail]
Chill out, man! I don’t want you to get the smackdown. I’m frustrated with him too, though.
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I’m not perturbed, and I’m pretty sure NAF knew I meant exactly what you said in the portion of your post I snipped, in not so many words.
I mean, he’s a claimed priest, for cryin’ out loud. We’re trying to find the Boss, right? And if he’s a Priest, he can’t be the Boss. If he’s lying about being converted, the Bishop could have outed him by now, and we’d be down a Bishop (Nightkill) and a the Boss. Best trade we could ask for, if you ask me. So, those STILL voting for NAF: Do you think he’s the boss? If not, change your flippin’ votes.
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger]
I mean, he’s a claimed priest, for cryin’ out loud. We’re trying to find the Boss, right? And if he’s a Priest, he can’t be the Boss. If he’s lying about being converted, the Bishop could have outed him by now, and we’d be down a Bishop (Nightkill) and a the Boss. Best trade we could ask for, if you ask me. So, those STILL voting for NAF: Do you think he’s the boss? If not, change your flippin’ votes.
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NAF is a claimed Priest? I just went back through a few pages and can’t find any evidence of this. Hal is the one claiming he’s been converted. Are you basing your reasoning toDay on a misunderstanding? Or am I?
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger]
I mean, he’s a claimed priest, for cryin’ out loud. We’re trying to find the Boss, right? And if he’s a Priest, he can’t be the Boss. If he’s lying about being converted, the Bishop could have outed him by now, and we’d be down a Bishop (Nightkill) and a the Boss. Best trade we could ask for, if you ask me. So, those STILL voting for NAF: Do you think he’s the boss? If not, change your flippin’ votes.
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The only people to claim Priest so far are Pleonast (Day 1) and Hal Briston (Day 3 - ordained by Bishop, not refuted).
Let me know what your re-read of the entire last 2 Days reveals.
That should be Pleonast (Day 2). I keeping thinking of Day 1 more as a Day 0.
[QUOTE=Millit the Frail]
NAF is a claimed Priest? I just went back through a few pages and can’t find any evidence of this. Hal is the one claiming he’s been converted. Are you basing your reasoning toDay on a misunderstanding? Or am I?
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Okay. I am an idiot. Carry on. :smack:
P.S. NAF, you’re still a jackass. 
Late last night I drafted a vote post. When I clicked the “Post Reply” button to get the post form, the Dope died on me. I tried twice, gave up and went to bed.
Fortunately I’d saved a draft in my notes file, so here it is copied and pasted.
I’m tired. I probably shouldn’t start drafting posts at 1am. But looking at the schedule tomorrow, if I don’t do something about voting now, I won’t get one in before 4pm. That won’t help anyone, least of all me.
I’ve spent some time searching out posts, particularly the ones that NAF1138 thought he saw some special knowledge in. While I didn’t find any, I was struck by how the people NAF wanted to lynch changed over the course of Today. At the start, he was still advocating killing the people on his list, or some of them. But even when he first votes, he went (with the only justification being things pinging him “on a gut level” from arguing that we should be killing the experienced dangers to voting for someone relatively inexperienced.
Even when someone claimed that he had been the Vig until a crisis of conscience led to his taking Holy Orders spoke up and undermined the whole basis of the plan (that the Vig could help eliminate these people) NAF said nothing. (That plan is now going to have to be abandoned without the Vig - taking the time to kill the unclaimed ones may well allow the time for the Mafia reach a LyLo state.)
I just got the impression that he was trying to distance himself from previous positions.
As I said above, I’m not feeling the Darth Sensitive lynch wagon; I’m not happy with his lack of defence, but that feels to me more like confusion and/or surrender, which could afflict any player on either side.
I’m going to vote NAF1138 based on this seeming shift of position. I’ll have time to shift the vote before Nightfall if any evidence makes me change my mind.
NAF, I don’t agree with your self-vote if you’re a Townie. You’re depriving us of a final trail.You may feel you’ve left enough votes (there’s certainly a case for that ;)), and you may be heading off the possibility of becoming a Brewha, but unless it’s a tied vote situation I don’t see it’s the best way forward.
Just my tuppence.
[QUOTE=Darth Sensitive]
I did when I made my post, and I thought it was a bad lynch - I said so. It would have been rather nice to have been proved wrong and for dotchan mk1 to have been scum, but we still have the issue of having exposed our doc, detective, a priest, and a mason to public scrutiny in one day, and that’s ignoring the priest roleclaim on day two.
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I don’t believe this. I am appalled that people are accepting this as a legitimate defense. Darth Sensitive is contradicting himself all over the place, and people are unvoting him to vote for NAF?
Sigh. Well, the Day’s almost over, so whatever. At least if NAF is dead he can’t be recruited. (Assuming he’s town, of course, but I’m more willing to believe him than Darth at this point.)
Hmm. I’ve slept on it, and I think there’s a good chance NAF is the Boss. I’ve even developed a theory: he makes his list of experienced players to kill, saying that he’s one of the top candidates to off. This sets him up to make a martyr play if necessary (like above). Then he says, Hey, we clearly have a newb Boss here. Which, in my theory, is because he intentionally made a newb-style play, so he could direct suspicion away from himself, and toward his newb targets. This didn’t work as well as planned, and now he’s faced with a lynching, so he makes a Hail Mary play and plays the martyr, --as he set himself up for earlier as a precautionary measure-- (Fine, kill me, you’ll be sorry, oh woe is me). Not to mention that first he says he’s one of the experienced players who should be killed, then he plays the rookie card (see Hockey Monkey’s vote for him). Votes all over the place, contradictions, pleas for everyone to reveal their other suspicions so the surviving scum know to kill off… To me, it all fits. Vote NAF1138.
Excellent catch, HNC. I was so sure of Darth’s guilt that when he presented a somewhat reasonable defense, I found myself disappointed. I’d spent the last day waffling over hard-headedly sticking with my vote, or moving on to a different tact and target.
After sleeping on it, I don’t find it hard-headed anymore. I’m happy where my vote lies.