No. He is the terminal prophet of Allah ( God ), important chiefly because he was the last. Islam recognizes a whole slew of prophets.
Remember to Muslims, the likes of Abraham and Moses were Muslims themselves. Islam is to them not a new faith revealed, but an old faith rediscovered and reformed. Christians and Jews are misguided souls that worship the same god, but have strayed from the original faith and corrupted its teachings.
Also, I don’t understand how people think Islam and Judaism are in any way close. Or any of the three, really. Islam thinks of pre-Islam as, well, corrupted. Misguided. Anything post-Judaism (Christianity and Islam) feels that way (to some extent or another before I get pounced on).
I mean, Christians use the Jewish text and interpret it differently, but it’s…prevalent. Muslims read the Quran and consider Jewish text to be, er…useful but not as central. (From the anecdotal evidence in my Saudi friends.) Sorry. I just don’t see any Noah’s Ark photos in a Muslim nursery.
Look at the Six Articles of Faith:
Here’s a rather brash summary in Wiki on the Jewish principles of faith. The well known ones kind of ‘came about’ in writing in a post-Judean world. I’d argue it’s largely a response to Christianity. I mean, if you’re talking about origins, the three faiths are totally different. Modern day? Well, I’d say that Presbyterian Christians are probably more in step with most Jews, but shrug it’s a hard question.
For Jews, the focus is being godly (via mitzvot) and people (whom you are responsible for).
For Christians, it’s Jesus and Heaven.
For Muslims, it’s Muhammad and Allah and Heaven.
This is why, as some have pointed out, Jews aren’t concerned about proselytizing, atheists, or any of the such.
Overlapping prophets, overlapping holy scripture, common emphasis on monotheism ( explicitly the same god according to Muslims ), related history of one sect after another budding off each other.
Special treat when compared to who? White Christians?
Certainly not compared to innumerable other peoples I could name.
Even as you discount Jewish self-identification as “special” you talk about the treatment of Jews as though it has been particularly special, it hasn’t.
As far as I know, few other ethnic groups have been subjected to the same level of sustained over centuries “special” treatment (culminating in a modern-day massacre of something like a third of their population, worldwide) - for the simple reason that few have been held, over the centuries, to offend against the founding principles of “white Christians” by their very existence.
Though no doubt I am eliding over “unnumerable” other peoples who share this distinction.
Martin Hyde, could you please tell me what other ethnic group besides Jews was prohibited from owning land in Europe, through an entire millenium when the only thing that truly established any kind of power and agency was the ownership of land?
Not so; while the Romani peoples were subject to much official persecution, they were not prohibited from becomming settled on the land … on the contrary, they were often persecuted exactly for their nomadic habits.
Take for example the situation in England, where “Egyptians” were, by law, to be forcibly expelled … unless they agreed to become sedentary.
Islam has essentially the same eschatology as Judiasm - resurrection of the dead, and judgement day. That’s not really a tjheological issue, though. Theology, strictly speaking, only realtes to the nature of God himself. In that, there is zero difference between Judaism and Islam. They worship the same God with the same attributes.
The only difference in the way Jews were treated versus all the other peoples white Christians essentially “erased” as cultures is that Jews still exist. So in a way they are notable in that their treatment didn’t fully destroy them as a people.
I suspect that is for two reasons:
Both Christianity and Islam actually historically tolerated Judaism better than they did other religions. Paganism was essentially wiped out because Christians just refused to accept it, period. Judaism was harshly assaulted by Christianity, but at enough points in European history enough rulers were willing to tolerate the presence of unconverted Jews that Judaism lived. Unconverted pagans were massacred over and over until the only ones left converted.
Most pagan tribes clung to their ancestral land/region, and thus were “one easy target” and were gradually destroyed/assimilated. By being dispersed the Jews were not so easy to snuff out permanently.
So if there is anything unique in the treatment of Jews, it is that they were treated much less harshly than pretty much any other minority group in the history of “Christian Europe.”
Can you name any other major non-Christian group aside from Jews that were allowed to exist at all in Europe? Aside from the Gypsies, who also have traditionally suffered immensely, I can’t think of many/any. You do realize all the Picts, Celts, Gaels and et cetera have essentially been exterminated? Obviously the waters are murky because they were not literally killed to the last man, but as a culture they were destroyed. The physical humans that remained only remained because they adopted the culture of Christian conquerors and missionaries.
What happened if I was a Muslim merchant in 1300 AD and I moved to England and wanted to buy a parcel of land and start a manor? Or if I was a practitioner of one of the pre-Christian European religions? By and large people who were not seen as adhering to Christianity were executed or slaughtered. It is actually remarkable that the insanely racist, xenophobic, and bigoted European Christians of the Dark/Middle Ages tolerated Jews at all. It isn’t like the Jewish communities in Europe could have survived if the local elites did not wish them, they were smaller in number than any number of major pagan tribes/peoples that were forcefully subdued and converted.
I would instead posit the treatment of Jews in Europe is actually only notable in its leniency. And while the Holocaust was obviously not lenient, it was only remarkable because it happened in the 20th century and in a “modern” country. The sad truth is deliberate extermination of peoples has happened hundreds of times (many times more holistically than the holocaust) throughout human history.
That’s a pretty different concept than what Muslims believe.
Can you cite some sources? Because I thought that theology was the study of a religion or dogma pertaining to a religion. If you mean that both Jews and Muslims believe that God created the world, great. But if you mean to say that our concept of God in his relation to the world and to people, then…no.
The same goes for Abraham. Abraham was our patriarch. The Muslims say that he was the first Muslim. :mad: But hey, whatever. They also claim Ishmael as the father of their nation and the one who was originally meant to be sacrificed (apparently Jews had their history wrong).
Our views of (and historical relationship with) Abraham - and God - are quite different.
Also can you please cite for me something that says Muslims read the Torah and count it as holy scripture? If you mean by scripture, words of God, sure, but they also say it’s incorrect (as how it is written) and they only follow the Koran.
You also said they follow the laws of Moses. Well, Christians claim to follow some too, but they don’t follow the laws of Moses the way Jews do (or try to or are supposed to). So I’m just wondering if you could explain to me how it all works.
Since the laws of Moses are, well, written down wrong. And stuff.
They’re the same as Hebrew terms. Pretty simple. “There is no God but God.”
How so?
Try a dictionary.
No, in strict academic terms, “theology” is the study of God (the Greek roots literally mean “discussion of God”). When I say “there is no theological difference” between the Islam and Judaism, I am saying that they use identical definitions and understanding of what God is.
You are wrong. They have exactly the same concept of God. It IS the same God. Muhammed worshipped the Jewish God and said so.
He was the Muslim’s patriarch too. He built the Kaaba.
Why does that make you mad. It’s true.
Appealing to history is laughable since we’rte talking about mythology, not history. Abraham is not a historical figure, so “history” has no application. Islamic mythology about that character is just as valid as Jewish mythology.
No, not really. Sorry. That has nothing to do with whether they worship the same God anyway.
No one said they count it as holy scripture, but it “overlaps” with the Koran in that it uses many of the same characters and stories. Islam began asessentially a Jewish sect.
Muslims follow pretty much the same dietary laws, and you’re moving the goalposts, since plenty of Jews ignore Mosaic law. A Muslim who keeps Halal is following Mosaic law more than a liberal Jew.
Muslims and Jews worship the same God, have many of the same imaginary heroes and follow many of the same archaic supoerstitions. Christianity struck out completely on it’s own with a totally different theology and much weirder superstitions.