Sorry to triple-post, but for whatever it’s worth – which isn’t much, I grant; I would think the same – I’m genuinely in tears here over the fact that people I consider my compatriots are considering me an enemy and a bigot over the fact that I disagree with how things are being done. An assumption is being made that I’m being disingenuous and am advocating, stealthily or otherwise, for ignorance and hatred. Nothing could be further from the truth. I disagree with one aspect of how things are being approached by our allies at large. For that, I’m being castigated, and my secondary point is that that’s not a very good way to approach things if you want to encourage people to stay on your side, is being taken as opposition. The opposite side is “let’s throw children into concentration camps,” so you’re not in any danger of losing me, but holy fucking shit. Read the things I’ve written and, if you still think I’m a racist concern troll, put into a cogent argument the reason why. Please. I’m getting desperate here. Genuinely, with the most heartfelt sincerity I can muster.
I mean, you’re being deliberatly obtuse and trying to communicate in YouTube links, so maybe I misinterpreted whatever the hell you meant. But you certainly dropped a lot of Jim Crow references into your song lyrics and such. If you have a real point that isn’t calling me a racist, please by all means make it, using actual sentences that communicate whatever point(s) you’re trying to make.
I’m still trying to figure out why the protesters wanted to topple a statue of Ulysses S. Grant.
I’m sayin’.
And CMC’s point is that you’re on the protestors side when it fits into your world view. But not when you consider what they’re doing to be counterproductive. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it wrong.
Roland, speaking for everyone minus mikecurtis, I could consider you not racist for a supportive reply to my DeSean Jackson pit thread.
Speak for yourself
Balderdash on the Independent article.
I don’t think that you don’t do that. I don’t know you either. If you do, then good job and I will gladly call you my friend and stand beside you. But if you also spend your limited time and energy and resources on things that don’t help people, then I would advise you to change your strategy. I still think you’re a good person. I still hope to be able to call you my friend. I still want you to succeed in your endeavors, and think that the causes you support are worthwhile from a global perspective. But for what needs to happen right now – again, that whole “strike while the iron is hot” thing, and the iron is glowing red and white – I’d like you to please focus on what will make sure that Thomas Jackson doesn’t die tomorrow where he otherwise would have. Tearing down a statue doesn’t do that. It just doesn’t. It’s not a disputable fact. That is the sum total of all that I am saying. It’s not about statues. It’s about the human right to live.
actually,
I realize that it is a typo, but it still looks funny.
It’s not a typo. Here’s the actual post you’re taking a portion of out of context:
You’re really reading that as saying that I’m advocating Jim Crow laws? Wow, dude. Go back and take 6th grade English again. Damn.
It occurs to me that the nature of the reality of space is also relevant. There’s a twist on the “Give a man a fish” proverb that I read here on the Dope.
Give a man a fish, and he’ll eat for a day.
Teach a man to fish, and he’ll eat for a lifetime.
Teach a million men to fish, and there will be bloodshed when everybody tries to stand at the riverbank at the same time.
Think of each Social Justice cause as a riverbank. You can’t FIT EVERYBODY on a single riverbank. And there are enough of us to fill ALL of the riverbanks.
I LOVE the destruction of statues and the elimination of racist honorifics. Inherently it reverses the narrative.
We will not advocate for anti racism, we will not advocate for equality. We will not advocate and wait for justice. We will take it, by force if necessary, and YOU can advocate for putting things back the way they were.
I breaks the inertia that keeps racist stuff around. It say these ideas will not stand, not anymore. They ALL go into the dustbin of history… today. Statues and other honorifics are the most obvious things to dispose of, the low hanging fruit of this racist spring cleaning.
That’s a fine enough point – sincerely – but the riverbanks of the causes that actually harm people aren’t full enough yet that there’s not room for far, far more people. That’s what I’m saying
Jesus mother of sweet living fuck. Is anyone actually bothering to read a word of anything I post? THE GODDAMNED STATUES ARE BAD. If one gets destroyed, bloody Christ no I don’t support putting it back the way it was. I just support spending the copious quantities of time and effort and goodwill toward your fellow man that it takes to yoink down a piece of metal and concrete on actually helping people instead. “Putting things back the way they were.” Fucking hell. I am not your enemy. Read things.
Apologies I didn’t mean you personally, meant the general you of society. Taking down a confederate statue tells society that we are not going to spend our time convincing you to take them down, we are going to force the conversation by making society responsible for arguing to put them back up.
Why should US military bases be named after traitors that killed Americans and fought against the US armed forces??? Rename the bases, and take the fucking statues down.
Says you.
Oh for god’s sake. I knew I was going to slip up in my phrasing somewhere (Archer: “Phrasing!”) and this was going to come up. But to quote where I’ve already addressed this:
And for the dozenth time, statues are not the point. The point is to help people instead of playing the role of someone who gives a damn by destroying a symbol that’s just going to be rebuilt by those who hold the ideas that are damaging America and causing people actual harm. People are going to be beaten in the streets today because assholes are racists. If you have the time and energy to donate to the cause of social justice – and I don’t blame you if you don’t; life is hard and the world is insane at the moment – then use it to fight that.