It’s up. Time to binge!
I just started watching it 15 minutes ago. When his mother started going through all the papers I remembered that I haven’t lodged my tax return. So I stopped to do that. Now I’ll head back to MaM.
So how does one get to be a blood spatter expert? Is there a college degree? Is it a real science or a bunch of speculation?
Am I the only one who’s confused about the dogs, the cars, the quarry, and the berm? I get that it’s being insinuated that someone planted (or at least hid) the car on the Avery’s property but I’m confused about cars being pushed around, taillight damage, etc.
Also, can dogs track the scent of a person (or body) traveling in a car?
The berm is a ridge of dirt surrounding most of the Avery property. There was a road through it to the neighbouring quarry, which was block by one of the the junked cars the Averys had, which had been stripped of its engine and most of its weight and would have needed to be pushed out of the way to drive the victim’s car onto the Avery property from that direction to plant it. There was damage on the victim’s car which may match with having been used to push this car out of the way.
I was expecting the next season to be about a different murder. They’re STILL focused on the Avery case? It’s been fucking studied to DEATH, no pun intended, and I’m bored with it. (I also think the guy is guilty as hell, as do a lot of other people who have followed it.) I wish they’d move on to a different case. There has got to be other, similar ones that are equally ambiguous and would provide more material for a second season.
I think the idea is that instead of Avery and Dassey murdering Halbach and storing her car in their tow yard, that someone else murdered her, drove down the back access road, through the berm, pushing the other cars out of the way, and parked her car in Avery’s tow yard in an attempt to frame him.
Some interesting questions are being raised about the blood spatter in the car, buy I’m skeptical about “brain fingerprinting”.
I’ve had strong doubts about Dassey’s guilt all along.
Season 2 is incredibly boring. They shouldn’t have made this.
Dassey is INNOCENT. Even if he had a hand in it, he doesn’t have the mental capacity to understand it. Either way, HE SHOULD NOT BE IN PRISON. Yes, I’m shouting.
If he had a hand in it then at the very least he needs to be under some sort of confinement such as a mental hospital. But I do have strong doubts about his guilt.
Avery seems like a troublemaker to me but the evidence in this particular case seems ambiguous.
As much as I dislike his weasley first defense counsel, he had a great point. Once the confession was admitted, it was time to take a plea deal. He had one on the table for 15 years.
This is one of my problems with the plea system. The price for causing the state the burden of going to trial, for Dassey, is a minimum of 25 years in prison, or possibly more. (He was sentenced to 40 to life instead of 15). That is grossly disproportional and is indicative of an assembly line justice system.
It is also his mother’s fault. What was she thinking letting this boy walk into the lion’s den with these two cops? Then afterwards, she talked him out of taking a plea deal.
Also, I would love to have the kind of resources that Avery’s new attorney has. I’m not sure that her experts are not complete quacks, though, especially with the brain scan to test whether Avery remembered something that her expert came up as a pet theory (the particular method by which Halbach was killed).
Even if the science was spot on, if her theory of the case is wrong, then those results are worthless.
Having trouble sleeping so I am binging this 2nd season. Avery’s new lawyer is very, very irresponsible in her handling of the family. She is making it seem like Dassey certainly, and to a lesser extent Avery are getting out soon. She’s also sort of kooky.
She’s loudly insistent that he will be getting out relatively soon. Even assuming that he’s innocent, there’s no guarantee that he’ll ever get out.
In fact, the one thing I keep thinking is that this entire season is already in the can and I’ve seen nothing in the news about this case. I haven’t been actively looking for such news but I would think that if either of them has gotten out that news would be unavoidable. (Please don’t post if there is in fact news.)
Bobby Dassey. Whoa!
I don’t think the regular viewer of this show understands how truly difficult it is to get someone out of prison through post-conviction relief petitions. She has got to either show:
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Ineffective Assistance of Trial Counsel
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A Brady Violation by the Prosecutor or
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Newly Discovered Evidence–such that would almost assuredly prove his innocence
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That’s a non-starter. The standard is so high as to be laughable. Unless your trial attorney was pissing his pants drunk during the trial, AND that pissing his pants drunk caused you to be found guilty, it’s a loser. It’s filed as a matter of course in every petition, but this “they didn’t hire a blood spatter expert” is a loss on its face.
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How would she find a Brady violation this late in the game? If she finds it now, then the prosecution didn’t have it, so therefore no Brady. I see that she is trying to interview anyone who had contact with law enforcement at the time and then claim that the prosecutor did not divulge that conversation. That’s a loser as well.
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Newly discovered evidence. That’s her best shot out of the squib gun that she has. But again, it cannot just be the subjective opinion of these quack experts she has. It doesn’t matter if she shows that Halbach was killed with a hammer and that caused the blood spatter. They didn’t use Dassey’s testimony at Avery’s trial. He’s not any less guilty if he hit her with a hammer instead of shooting her. The access road? So what? Who says Avery didn’t use that access road?
Courts are very wary of these late date habeas petitions and I have a better chance of Kim Kardashian walking through the front door and giving me a blow job than Avery has of winning. Actually a lot better.
ETA: And that assumes, for the purposes of discussion, that Avery really is innocent.
I finished it.
[Spoiler]So it ends inconclusively.
The contents of Bobby Dassey’s computer are interesting, to say the least. Could it have been him, possibly working with Scott Tadych?
Could the police then have framed Steven Avery either to stop the lawsuit or because they believed he was guilty and decided to sweeten the evidence to ensure a conviction?
Could it be that this documentary is distorting facts and leaving things out?
Is it correct to call it “Bobby’s computer” or was it the Dassey household computer? What links those files to Bobby?
So many questions.[/spoiler]
After the first season I was sure the police had framed these men, and almost sure they were innocent. The one thing they didn’t really go into any depth with was who might have actually committed the crime. The judge at the first trial, which was a large part of the subject matter of the first season, forbade any mention of someone else being the killer, so it didn’t get much attention. Still, the first season left some obvious suspects.
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The boyfriend and 2) the roommate, or possibly 3) a family member. It’s normally someone known to the victim, and there was evidence someone who knew her passcode had used her phone after her death, hence someone she knew. She was also allegedly receiving harrassment over the telephone. This second season adds a piece of information: that the boyfriend had the victim’s day planner which was probably in her car at the time of her death, and he had it before the car was discovered.
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The police. Especially Lenk and Colburn. They had a lot of evidence to plant, and what better way to frame someone than to commit a crime specially commissioned to be easy to frame someone for. It’s not a big step from framing a man for a crime he didn’t commit, putting him in prison for 18 years, helping their original prime suspect to get away and commit two more rape, which is was that same police force and some of those same individuals had done in the 80s, and that without the same thirty million motives. The second season provides a witness who claims to have informed Colburn of the location of the car, having seen it driving past. That makes it less likely they did the killing, although more likely that they were planting evidence.
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Tadych and Bobby Dassey. Bobby Dassey was a main prosecution witness, which is the best thing to be if you’re guilty, and they provided each other with an alibi, which is that they saw each other driving in opposite directions along the same road to hunt near each others houses. In this second season we got a witness who contradicts Dassey’s story of what he did that say, we get his mother admitting he lied, and we get a potential motive in the form of Bobby’s computer being full of sicko corpse porn. We also get a link between them and the place where the car was allegedly dumped, and a likely Brady violation in the form of efforts by the prosecution to pretend Bobby’s computer was Brendan’s computer, leading to the contents of the hard drive not being disclosed before trial.
This second season also suggests the owner of the quarry where some of the bones were found as a possible suspect.
We got some more information on the subject of the police tampering with evidence, too. The coroner at that time claims the police illegally failed to report the discovery of bones to her, then illegally refused her access to the crime scene and threatened to arrest her if she returned to it. In a case where the entire defence is about the police tampering with evidence that is massive. It was ruled irrelevant and hence not admitted as evidence in the trial.
So the second series went more or less where I was hoping it would. I doubt there’s much chance they’ll get out, though. The boy is out of options. If Avery ever gets out he might have a chance that will get him released, one way or the other, but otherwise he’s out of options for the next few decades. Avery likely has years of legal activity ahead of him, but it’s not likely to get him anywhere, despite its merits. OF course this isn’t even the longest he’s been in prison for a crime he didn’t commit. Won’t be for several more years, in fact, assuming he’s innocent. Sometimes people, William Heirens comes to mind, get put in prison and stay there despite almost everyone agreeing they are innocent, just because being innocent isn’t a reason to be let out of prison.