Malaysia Airlines 777 Missing

The timing makes it relevant. It needs to be explained beyond coincidence. Did Zaharie plan the move and insist on this particular day?

In any investigation such as this a series of questions are developed prior to the interview. They’re designed to extract detail that can’t easily be made up on the spot and be verifiable. It allows investigators to observe behavior and focus on answers that are vague or contradictory. It’s the basic questions of who, what, where, why, and when that are looked into.

Relevancy doesn’t imply fact or proof of anything. It’s a point of interest to be explained.

Well, of course no one else has the first amendment.

If they can build double-storey bungalows then quite literally anything is possible.

Most serious accidents (or bad incidents) result in changes to the industry, whether in personnel procedures, training, mechanical or electrical design. Those that don’t are often doomed to repeat the accident. Yes, it’s likely that our priorities will indeed change.

right but what i’m saying is we are not privy to any information we can independently verify.

various puddle hopping news branches are eager to sensationalize the family moving because that thickens the plot. but what if the family only moved AFTER the investigation because they wanted to avoid the media circus? no one cares about reporting things that DON’T thicken the plot. and they won’t renege on previous claims because they don’t have to. all they care about is sensationalism.

i have found nothing indicating the family was being investigated FOR moving, nor that the move itself was a matter investigators cared about at all. i have seen reports they moved AFTER the investigation, meaning there is nothing dubious or noteworthy about them moving, as they have already spoken with investigators, handed over evidence, complied completely, and were entirely free to get away from the media frenzy during what is i’m sure a very stressful, sad, and trying time. i mean a loved one is missing and under investigation. would you stay at your home with lurking media everywhere? i would certainly find solace elsewhere.

the whole “moving” thing seems way more like media buzz than useful information.

that’s just me, i guess. i guess what i’m saying is we only know about them moving because news outlets tried to make it into some kind of OMG LOOK AT THIS point of interest, but it obviously has no legs because no one seems to want to report on it further. that’s why i dismiss it as media rabble-rousing.

To put my thought more specifically, I have to believe every passenger airline on the planet is saying to themselves: “How can we make sure something like this never ever happens to us?”

Except it wasn’t just one turn at a single waypoint, as explained in this article: Exclusive: Radar data suggests missing Malaysia plane deliberately flown way off course - sources

So after the initial turn to the west, which could be explained as the pilots responding to an emergency, the plane headed towards three waypoints in sequence: Vampi, Gival, and Igrex. If the plane is on autopilot and flying randomly, how would it head to three way points in succession, on a particular traffic course?

Reports now say that the turn west was programmed before the “goodnight” message. Not sure if its true or how they know that this happened. If true does it seem to put to rest the idea of a sudden fire or mechanical problem? Or maybe they said goodnight to ATC and simply forgot to mention they were having serious mechanical issues.

The authorities have gone back and forth on the sequence of events. My guess is they aren’t sure how the timestamps are applied or the times recorded, and ignorance of that, plus possible delays and timing errors, could lead us to significantly opposite conclusions for such a critical element.

You’re darn tootin’.

Richard Pearce, I am sure we would all value your opinion of this fire theory.

The Goodfellow theory is pretty well debunked by someone else.

Also see post 689 in this thread.

Not unusual in Malaysia.

Object found in Aussie waters.

TWO possible objects have been identified in the search for missing flight MH370, with Tony Abbott telling Parliament a RAAF Orion is on its way to try and locate them.

The PM is holding a live press conference right now about this. I am not able to find a link online to it is live on MSNBC. He says the pieces are very large, approx 24 meters.
But he is cautioning it could be very difficult to locate.

I don’t disagree with you but we’re looking at a country that has no problem dragging the families of the passengers away. It’s not like we’ve heard anything useful and that exacerbates the rumor mill.

Live blog here from Australian news: Missing Malaysia Airlines plane: Debris found in search for MH370, says Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott

Per ABC on Twitter (can’t find a newslink yet), the US has sent a plane to assist Australia with the search and it’s picking up “significant radar hits” from whatever’s been found, but they can’t visualize it yet due to the weather.

interesting. That’s where they would be if they navigated back to the closest airport and then kept flying. too far to reach if it flew over the Maldives Islands.

i think that is why this case is so intriguing to everyone–we’ve heard so much but are unsure what is useful or meaningful, so we start speculating on this orgy of data. data we can’t accurately parse.

i’m still not sure there is any version of how this could play out that still won’t be extraordinary, tho. all the way around, it’s a really amazing story. sad and tragic but still well outside the scope of normality.

I don’t know what to think now. With the way information is released, denied, confirmed etc, anything is possible.

I will say that the immediate response to any hint of fire or smoke is to put the O2 masks and goggles on and point the aeroplane at the nearest airport while descending and preparing for a landing. The primary concern with a fire is to minimize the time in the air because history has shown that time to survive is measured in minutes rather than hours.