hmm, wonder why
If you want to go 1:1 with examples of white people denigrating women the thread would be infinitely long. Every race on the planet includes countless examples of men denigrating women. We’ve got an example in the White House right now.
Unwed motherhood is at the lowest level since they started recording the stat.
Crime, as in the total number of crimes committed by year, was lower in 2018 than 1973, despite 50% higher population. Black crime in 2018 is 30% lower than it was in 1988.
The change doesn’t happen overnight, it takes decades for social change to happen. It takes decades to undo what centuries of racism has created.
" Unwed motherhood is at the lowest level since they started recording the stat.
Crime, as in the total number of crimes committed by year, was lower in 2018 than 1973, despite 50% higher population. Black crime in 2018 is 30% lower than it was in 1988.
The change doesn’t happen overnight, it takes decades for social change to happen. It takes decades to undo what centuries of racism has created. "
As I responded to iiandyiii, that is a good trend. Is it enough that it is getting better?
But from all the argumentation happening it doesn’t seem like it is.
Cite? AFAIK they have been recording that since 1960. I have not seen anything that supports that assertion.
Of course it isn’t - our society is still very racist, biased, and discriminatory against black people. It’s not over until all that is gone.
I linked to the statistics earlier in the thread, IIRC.
Proof is in the pudding, because if it were so obvious, lots of people would be getting sued for racism. Bias will be a long term trend, with little recourse. But RACISM (overt, not thoughtcrime racism), has recourse, legal and otherwise.
So cite?
Ha! Evidence has been cited over and over (and I’ll look for the cite later, but just this morning I saw a study demonstrating that cops pull over far more black people per capita during daylight (when they can see them) than at night, with no difference for white people). And lots of people do get sued, but just like in 1850, 1900, and 1950, lawsuits about racism are going to be less frequent and less successful than they ought to be in a society that’s profoundly racist and biased.
Exactly, Ha! Arguing with you when you have these cyclical argument points is tiresome.
When your own words indicate that you see black people as a “they” who don’t meet your standards as to how Americans should behave, then you’ll forgive us if we’re not inclined to go the extra mile to show you this evidence again and again.
Bottom line, any evidence you have is supposition of overt racism, bias, or discrimination OR it would result in lawsuits WON by the opposing party.
But your answer to that is OF COURSE when all of society is that way.
I find that a ridiculous assertion.
Our justice system isn’t even close to fair and equitable. Why would you expect an unfair justice system to rule fairly on racism?
Your argument is pretty much identical to the white conservative status quo folks in the 50s, 60s, and 70s.
Well, that’s heartening. Based on your link, second graph, it appears that, in births per thousand, birthrates of black and white unmarried women may attain parity at some point in time, although I can’t say for sure because there appears to be a downward trend for white unmarried women at the end as well. However, that graph does not account for population size differences between white and and black people, so it will take considerable additional amount of time, based off those trendlines, to reach parity per capita.
This disparity appears to be shrinking, again awesome, but the difference between births outside of marriage to white women (28%) vs black women (69%) is still staggeringly high [Cite], so it’s not really a “canard” to say there is still major differences there.
“Per Thousand” is the same as per capita (or per thousand capita), unless I’m missing something very significant.
Not at all, I’m Listening, but all you have are excuses as to why they are not at fault for anything.
As with anything, there is blame to go around, accept some and lets move towards a fix (and that fix might revolve around just doing better enforcing what we have)
Blame blame blame gets you jack shit.
Such fixes have been suggested, again and again – remake police departments (and policing) from the ground up, excising all remaining bits systemic and institutional bias, and mandating accountability. No more blue line. Provide truly equal access to education, health care, basic services like supermarkets and banking, and other necessities. Deeply investigate the financial and economic harm done by discriminatory policies like Redlining that harmed living Americans (and IMO go much deeper, and investigate how the harm done by past discriminatory policies has affected descendants). Ensure equality of environment – black people tend to live in more toxic environments than white people. Provide jobs and housing guarantees to protect against the possibility of discrimination in hiring and housing.
And there’s a lot more – these are just a handful at the top of my head.
And what blame are you accepting or assigning the black community
? You know, things they can fix themselves?
I don’t understand the question. What and who are “the black community”? What organization or leadership would we contact? How would “the black community” go about doing something? Is there a government with legislative ability, that could pass laws for “the black community”?
And I’m serious with this. Even if I agreed with you about various problems (I don’t, quite clearly), how would “the black community” go about fixing them? And what does this have to do with all the other suggestions I’ve made, which would involve legislation, appropriation, and law-making?
I guess since there is no black community all legislation would be directed at individuals since you know there is no leadership to contact …
Sarcasm is fun eh!
There would be no need for this with the legislation I’ve suggested. But I asked you a serious question. “The black community” is invoked (and blamed!) all the time, and I think this is total bullshit. Which is why I’m challenging you on what you mean – how would this work? Even if it were true, how would “the black community” address any of this?