I told you I forfeit, LoHD. You are right. I am wrong.
Not worth the energy.
Forfeit away. But you didn’t tell me that until just now; instead you told me that you forfeited if I said something that was actually the opposite of what I said.
But you’re probably right that it’s not worth the energy.
This is the new MRA whine: men attacked solely because they’re men. Der Trihs is ignoring that a lot of those women will be murdered too, and that these things happen in genocidal conflicts, in which everybody gets killed.
According to Der Trihs, women who have been raped probably are lying about it and certainly aren’t allowed to be nervous about some guy raping them again. And by attacking such women, Der Trihs is making rape seem like something women lie about, rather than men.
Originally posted by LHOD:
and there's an incredible amount of resistance to it. You've shown it; look at any rape thread on this site. Look at all the guys blaming the 11-year-old in that Cleveland Tx case, for being the 'town ho'. Giving advice doesn't mean people take it. Hell, look at this topic. It's all about false accusations, which are a paranoid fantasy. However, the accusation that if you dress slutty you ask for it is taken as truth. There's a topic about that, too.
Rape prevention is what law enforcement, and people who are taking their cues from law enforcement, traffic in.
Sexual violence prevention is the province of feminists who first and foremost recognize the existence of rape culture and that the gender-based violence women face is larger than what is referred to by law enforcement (and especially by the FBI’s uniform crime statistics) as “rape.”
And that’s why sexual violence prevention talks about how to actually prevent the violence at the source, rather than telling women to avoid wearing ponytails so that they can’t snatched up by evil phantoms lurking in the dark of night.
Which is a “whine” because men are unique in that no one can hate them just for their gender, right? :rolleyes:
I’m not “ignoring” it, I’m just pointing out that people will care about what happens to the women, but not the men. As you are demonstrating; I’m sure that you’d post a rant about how men are “whining” if any mention was made of what happened to the men.
More nonsense. I’m saying that they may or may not be lying; that it is hypocritical to claim that it is reasonable for women to treat men like we are all predators while demanding that men treat women with absolute trust, and that I’ve never noticed that not being raped made women any less paranoid and contemptuous towards men.
Because of course women are superior beings compared to us vile and horrible subhumans known as men, and they’d never ever lie. :rolleyes:
Someone once said that for all the talk about blacks obsessing over their victimhood no one in the world does it better than white men and straight white men in particular.
I think this thread is an example of that.
In other words you won’t try to defend your position, you’ll just claim that entire categories of people by definition can never be victimized.
If you wish to attack me for not “defend[ing]” my “position” you might want to actually say what it is, because your straw man doesn’t come remotely close.
Sorry if I fail to recognize just how hard being straight, white man in America is.
Perhaps you can enlighten me on how traumatic the experience is.
You carefully avoided giving one.
Except I didn’t say anything like that, and you know it.
Sigh. Look, margin, you’ve demonstrated total competence in imagining viewpoints for your opponents wholly unlike the ones they actually hold, and further competence at mocking them for the viewpoints you dreamed up for them. What a wonderful surprise it’d be if you took the more difficult step of addressing what people actually say.
I agree. I further think that both sides of the equation are necessary and appropriate. As I said earlier, I marched earlier this month in a sexual violence prevention fundraiser, and on the (very rare) occasions that I hear someone saying something revoltingly dismissive of rape, I tend to call them out about it.
But I see no contradiction between sexual violence prevention and rape prevention (nor did our local chief of police and sheriff, both of whom marched in the fundraiser). If I have a son, you’d better believe I will be sure he knows the difference between consent and nonconsent. And when my daughter is older, I will advise her not to leave her drink unattended in a bar.
A Police Inspector writes. The comments are interesting.
Yeah. If you have issues.
Don’t be too quick to annoint that guy.
Britain has a 5.6 conviction rate for rapes, which might be explained by this:
" **Yet the researchers noted that some of these classifications were based simply on the personal judgments of the police investigators and were made in violation of official criteria for establishing a false allegation. **Closer analysis of this category applying the Home Office counting rules for establishing a false allegation and excluding cases where the application of the cases where confirmation of the designation was uncertain reduced the percentage of false reports to 3%. The researchers concluded that “one cannot take all police designations at face value” and that “[t]here is an over-estimation of the scale of false allegations by both police officers and prosecutors.”
Moreover, they added:*
The interviews with police officers and complainants’ responses show that despite the focus on victim care, a culture of suspicion remains within the police, even amongst some of those who are specialists in rape investigations. There is also a tendency to conflate false allegations with retractions and withdrawals, as if in all such cases no sexual assault occurred. *
5.6 percent. So you’re so desperate to believe in false rape accusations that you’re willing to accept some dude who wrote a book.
And here’s another alleged cop to prove my point: Further down your thread:
“No arguement here Gaget. Like you I can count on the one finger maybe two the amount of genuine rapes I have come across. Nearly not a day goes by in our forces daily notes that a rape has not been reported and in 99% of the cases when you read the summary it starts – ‘the complainer was drinking’. Now not for one moment do I think that just because someone has been drinking that it means they cannot be raped, however this is a major factor. Incidently the genuine rapes I have investigated have been on children and sober people. But that is MY experience. I can only speak for myself when I say that every rape that has come across my desk I have given 100% to the ‘victim whether I believe them or not. It is not for me to judge.”
So a woman who’s been drinking cannot be raped? What a great police officer.
Just to re-iterate: Yet the researchers noted that some of these classifications were based simply on the personal judgments of the police investigators and were made in violation of official criteria for establishing a false allegation.
It doesn’t sound like this is a rare thing for either the police.
Same guy:
*I had the misfortune several years ago of having to arrest, as per force policy, an Australian student who, at a party on his last weekend in Scotland before heading home to Oz, had the misfortune of coming into contact with a fellow student who decided that she would claim that she had been raped by him. Her only reason was that he had re-buffed her advances and she wanted more time to work on him!!! It was apparent on the night that she was not telling the truth. I had plenty of witness statements at the party corroborating the male and the female refused a medical. *
Obviously you’ve found the blog where some of these jerkoffs hang out. Seems like they’re all men, too.
You’re the guy who tapes women he has sex with, without consent, because you’re so convinced they’ll claim you raped them otherwise. :rolleyes: In other words, thanks for proving my point.
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It might be advantageous to educate one’s self about rape. As should many of the commentors here, who think their patronizing advice that doesn’t apply to reality has never been uttered ever before. Oh, God, I can just see the cries of, “But I didn’t say exactly that.” The fact is, it’s obvious, it requires women lock themselves indoors in burkas 24 hours a day, seven days a week, have no fun, and avoid men. Entirely. Forever. This wold also reduce opportunities for men to complain about false accusations.
A college womens' group scarcely represents all women and all womens' circumstances, and they are in fact in a place where a bunch of young kids might be away from home for the first time. I've posted this link below at least twice. The writer is a man.
Rapists do not lurk in dark alleys. Furthermore, all the so-called advice offered in this thread is stuff that guys really really like, with the unlovely addition that if a woman’s center advises it, then apparently it’s okay because all women are alike. The obvious sentiment of “Aha! I have you now!” is obvious. See above.
In this case, the cops–in particular one cop----rejected a woman’s story when she told of a man who broke into her house and raped her. They demanded she take a polygraph. She failed. I mean, she just got raped and the cops are making it clear they think she’s lying. Just the rape alone would be enough to raise her heart rate and her blood pressure.
A month later the man who raped her raped another woman. Another victim of a false accusation of a false accusation. So another woman got raped thank to the police officers’ arbitrary suspicion. Their reason for rejecting her account of the type of rape that people usually don’t blame on the victim? In at least one published account, the police said they did not think a rapist would be ‘so bold.’
The cop who rejected her story? He was convicted of sexual assault himself. One has to wonder how many real complaints he dismissed as false.
I mean, I could go on. The vanishingly small number of guys who are accused falsely of raped is probably exceeded by the number of women who have been raped, but are falsely accused of making a false accusations. So she’s the victim of a crime, she gets called a liar, and at least in the case of the first woman, she gets fined and named publicly. The cops offered vague promises of…something.
The vengeance wishes of some of the guys who want to make sure these so-called false accusers * suffer * is not matched by their view of any other crime. One has to wonder why this is so, and mutterings about justice and so forth ring false and hollow. Surely there will be more than vague, short, non specific comments on these cases. Surely they will not be dismissed by men who are so concerned with false accusations. In fact, there’s an inverse proportion between the seriousness with which rape is regarded and the seriousness with the likelihood the false accusation is held. No other crime accusations arouse this obsession.
:rolleyes: right back at you. I never said I did any such thing. I just said that would be a reasonable precaution to take in this legal climate.
And in fact that’s pretty much the gender flipped version of what men who want to avoid false accusations are told to do. Avoid women completely, forever. But of course, such “advice” is somehow reasonable when directed at men.
Neither you nor anyone else knows how many men are falsely accused. I rather doubt it is “vanishingly small”, since I don’t buy into the theory that women are superior beings.
You forget accusations of child molestation. In both cases, the mere accusation can ruin a man’s life even if he is shown to be innocent, in both cases there have been people openly advocating making such false accusations, and in both cases far too many people outright deny that false accusations happen or matter if they do.
Can you point to somewhere that gives men this advice? I won’t even ask for it to be a police statement, or any other authority figure, like women get lecturing to them, let alone for examples of said advice in anywhere approaching the frequency that women get it. But a link somewhere would be nice. I’ve never seen anyone advocate that men should avoid women completely, forever, for any reason.
It often comes up in threads like this. A man complains of the danger of false accusations and is sneered at with some variation on “well, just don’t have sex then.”
Have you considered the possibility that both viewpoints may be correct? That there are women who are poorly treated, and that there are women who make false complaints?
Now, now, that’s crazy talk!
You did? That’s fucked up, dude. Videotaping a person having sex without their consent is not at all okay. If you think you need this tape for your own neurotic peace of mind, you need to let your potential partner know. At that point you’re good to go. But doing it without consent is skeevy and probably illegal.