Conversely, sir, he did not spring into existence fully formed at 19–someone’s guidance (or lack thereof) led him to believe this was a-okay. As much as I agree that we should convict him to death by flamethrower, implying that “some guys are just rapists and that’s they way they is” and there’s nothing parentally or societally that could have been done to forestall this is just insane.
Try not to fight with **margin **for the “most insane” title. Promiscuity and sexual freedom do NOT in ANY way imply the idea that rape is okay.
Also, nice stat. How many of those boys have STDs? “Coercing someone to have sex with you” is not “boys being boys”. While you’re at it, cite the relative incidence of rape in the 50s vs. now. Account, if possible, for potential cultural discrepancies in the reporting of rape. Either that, or shut up so the adults can talk.
Actually, there is substantial ambiquity in this case. Twelve year olds do VOLUNTEER to get sexed into gangs in the inner city rather often. Gang culture, if not actual gangs, has spread out into the Texas countryside. The alleged threat was that they (the statutory rapists) would get some girls to beat her up. Maybe things are really different in the country, but no self-respecting gangbanger in H-town would threaten someone that way. It doesn’t even seem like something a more experienced wannna-be would say. More and more I think this could amount to nothing more than a lot of statutory rape.
The issue isn’t one of over-focus on rape. I think most if not all of us would agree that rape is an important issue needing more focus and not less.
The issue is on over-sensitivity to divergent views by those choosing to focus on rape as an issue. That’s the “fanatic” part of “anti-rape fanatic”: the idea that those expressing differing views on the problem are somehow in favour of the problem: ‘rape apologists’.
This is a poisioning of the well which cuts off rational discussion at the knees.
What a load of crap. Guys stab, strangle, chop up, chainsaw, and rape each other all the fucking time. Where are your fucking tears about that?? “Boys just being boys,” I imagine you’ll say.
Do you think the incidence of stabbing, strangulation, chopping up, chainsawing and male on male rape approaches the incidence of rape/serious sexual assualt by men on women?
And why would I say ‘boys will be boys’ to that? What have I said at any time that would give you that impression? Or are you projecting something on to me here?
My point is that if there was a crime that affected men in the same way and with the same frequency (and with the same level of dismissal from the media and the criminal justice system as rape traditionally has), and was perpetrated by women, the level of “hysteria” (an interesting word chosen by athelas there) would be staggering. And whatever theories were put forward, whatever explanations, whatever cures suggested would not be considered ‘anti-whatever zealotry (the Special Olympics of anti-female activism)’ but would instead be seen as an understandable response, even if not agreed with, to a problem of pandemic proportions.
Not that your hysterical nonsense about how things would change if only men were also victims and blah blah blah would make sense, anyways. You do realize that pretty much every man on the planet has a mother, wife, or daughter who he’d rather not be brutally raped?
It sounds like a pretty good word to describe people who are acting like hysterical loons.
You mean like we teach people self defense or support concealed carry or teach people to protect themselves from violent crime and have street smarts to avoid dangerous situations, while violent crimes are an order of magnitude more prevalent than rape… and we don’t go off the deep end with hysterical nonsense?
And in the short time since Starving Artist has posted his claim to the King Bonehead title, we have a NEW heir to the throne.
Statutory rape is as serious as any other kind of rape. Inability to consent is inability to consent is lack of consent. Twelve-year-olds cannot, in any place in the United States, volunteer for (that is, meaningfully consent to) a sexual relationship in a legal sense.
In official crime statistics, men are more likely than women to be victims of violent crime. Most people agree, however, that rape is underreported to a significant extent.
From that graph I cited, it would have to be under-reported by a fuck of a lot to match general “violence against the person” offences – assuming the latter aren’t under-reported too.
“Most people” meaning “most people who I agree with”?
No, most rational people understand that making up statistics because the actual statistics don’t work for you, is not a good practice. Especially since we have to balance out the potential for women to refuse to come forward with the well-proven probability that women will come forward with false accusations.
All we can really say is that we can’t be certain of the actual statistics due to numerous factors. If you’re pushing an agenda, of course, you can try to claim that there’s a rape epidemic going on and we’d be able to prove it… if only the statistics would cooperate with us.
Right now, rape is in a very difficult situation with regard to media treatment of victims and general support of old-boys networks with regard to even proven rapists being excused because “she really wanted it” or “he’d never do something like that”. HOWEVER, those facts are not an excuse to act out like **margin **does. As I said in the main thread–if she was 1% as persuasive and well-spoken as the advocates at the “yes means yes” blog that she linked, no one would pit her. Instead, she advocates a position that roughly corresponds to “agree with me in every particular or I will brand you a rape apologist”–even to women who are taking her side: In which "Doper" Ellis Dee demonstrates, err, proclaims, his ignorance and/or stupidity - #121 by Shot_From_Guns - The BBQ Pit - Straight Dope Message Board, starting at post 121 or so, for an example.
Except I am not. Rape is a massively underreported (and recorded) crime.
It is interesting you change it to brutally raped. That’s a common tactic/habit in this - only the “brutal” rapes count. I am sure men would rather their wives, mothers and daughters weren’t raped. I know I’d rather my mother wasn’t. But there’s also a vast number of men who don’t know that their wives, mothers and daughters have already been raped.
There are many words with similar meanings. I just find it interesting in this area to pick one with that particular origin.
Again, if you honestly believe the true incidence of rape is reflected by the numbers of rapes listed in produced crime statistics, there probably isn’t a lot of point in continuing the conversation.
Yeah, that explains why so many men use it as exactly that, you moron. Let me guess. You think ‘pussy’ refers to cats and if you use the word ‘cunt’ the English way it’s totes okay, too.
You are cordially invited to continue being insane. Just try to do it somewhere the adults aren’t trying to have a productive conversation.
This is a perfect example, though–I’ve slammed **SA **and **Finn **and others for being idiotic, but because I don’t agree in every way with your stupid bullshit, I’m automatically the worst person ever. This is why you’re a laughingstock.