It bothered me too. That’s why I posted it in a thread where you were supposed to be able to confess stuff. Apparently, being disturbing is over the line. I took issue with that, but since a second mod agrees, I can let it drop.
I do think that there is a huge double standard applied to religion, and Christianity in particular though.
Because if some equivalent Christian hyper-moron came on this board and posted about their fantasy of whacking a bus full of atheists they’d get a free pass? What universe do you live in?
-XT
According to who? At what point did you say, “oh, well the OP says this thread is for confessions, so I guess I can get away with anything that’s a confession”? If I start a thread called “be a jerk”, does that automatically nullify the “don’t be a jerk rule” in that thread?
That also applies if your laundry is of the furry animal type, especially. 
FTR, while the post didn’t attract any attention in MPSIS, it got a lot of flak (in my opinion deservedly) in this thread, throughout pages 2,3, and 4.
Not that burning an entire subset of people is defensible (although Acid Lamp didn’t mention babies, he specified the bible-thumping christians, which I assume the babies have yet to become), but to play devil’s advocate here, how heinous does a group have to be before wishing death on them is acceptable. If I were to say exactly what Lamp did, but replace bible-thumpers with the Phelps family, would I draw a warning? AFAIK, Phelps hasn’t been violent, so he’s not on par with the Taliban or whatever. What if it were a fictional group of WBC supporters who weren’t in the Phelps clan?
I think Lamp’s comment was a little out of hand because he didn’t consider the full scope of who he might be burning, but I understand how with all the hatred spewed by extreme groups of anyone, the step from someone like Phelps to someone who vehemently denounces gays is not too far.
You know, I already have zero pity for their cause. I’ve met some crazy Christians who advocate killing abortion doctors, or at least would do it if they wouldn’t get caught. I think they’re revoltingly immoral disgusting horrible people.
There’s a significant difference between you and them. They’re advocating killing people who have already performed an act they find reprehensible. You? You’re saying you’d have no problem killing the children of someone who might someday commit an act you find reprehensible.
They’re revoltingly immoral disgusting horrible people. What should I think of you?
(xtisme, it annoys me when folks chastize others for being insufficiently flamey. If you want a barbecue, bring the goddamn lighter yourself.)
Daniel
Whatever you like, I’m sure. The simple fact is I often have thoughts of a sociopathic nature. Recognizing this, and understanding that it is unacceptable,(thought logically I find our collective values to be extremely arbitrary) I feel bad about making that leap; and my nonchalance about the issue. So I posted it in a confessions thread and felt better.
And your example serves as a lesson to us all, brave soldier.
Go fuck yourself. I’ve been more than pleasant while plenty of other posters piled on with names and insults. If you don’t have anything to contribute then shut your fucking mouth.
Having been in a church in my time I’ve noticed something that has apparently escaped several people…that being that there are usually more than dour faced bible thumpers in attendance.
As for how heinous a group has to be to warrant being burned, gassed, etc, I think it depends. Had the idiot OP said something like ‘If I could stuff a building full of bible thumpers guilty of blowing up abortion clinics and killing innocents’ then I’d say that he may have a point, especially since I have no idea where s/he stands wrt capital punishment. Myself, I’m against it, but more on economic grounds.
However, that’s not exactly what s/he said, is it? So, let’s say you could fantasize about an arena full of Nazi’s with Hitler giving a rousing speech. How about that? Well and good…as long as you are under no illusions that some of the people there wouldn’t really be guilty of anything, that some would be there only on a pro forma basis, and that even in such a crowd there would probably be small children, spouses there only at the bidding of their husbands, servants who have no choice, etc. So, before fantasizing about righteous retribution one should actually think it through.
Let him without guilt cast the first stone and all that jazz. I think before someone decides they know what’s best wrt mass murder they should try and take the mote out of their own eye.
Thanks, I did already (as much as I ever flame)…and would have commented in the primary thread about it had I seen the thread in question and not this lame ass whiny thread first. I think the subject merits more flamage than it received, and I think I can understand why some of the Christian types are feeling a bit hunted when this kind of thing can pass with a shrug by the majority of the posters who would be up in arms had the subject been a tad bit different and from a different source. Maybe that’s being unfair to 'dopers who might have just shrugged and gone ‘Meh’ and moved on without comment.
-XT
I disrespectfully decline to do so, you fucking fuckwitted pustule whoreson cocksucker shitheaded donkey-raping wit-wanting Full House-watching freedom-hating commie-cheering abomination in the eyes of every god, human, animal and plant in the history of this and all possible universes.
You know I was okay with that until you invoked the Full House bomb. This sir, means war.
The dope equivalent of Russia vs Georgia.
Just to be clear about this, his quote was “one of those crazy bible thumping, megachurch, hands in the air singing along, creationist, quiverfull type Christians, I have a violent fantasy about locking all the doors to the building and gassing the lot of them…” While it seems like he is advocating burning the babies and children who happen to be in the church, the “them” of his sentence refers to the “crazy bible thumping… Christians” only. A small nitpick, and doesn’t really change the overall point, but let’s not add people other than group he’s targeting to Lamp’s vitrol.
I’m against it on the grounds of our flawed justice system, myself.
I agree that you should definitely think through who you are proposing to kill. I think AL did this to a certain extent. I don’t agree with his sentiment, but as I said before, the Phelps clan is non-violent, and I don’t know how many people would be up in arms if I suggested burning the lot of them. Where can you draw the line?
This is the only part of your post I wholly disagree with. If we let only the perfect enforce our laws, laws would never be enforced.
Oh, I think you are right. My point was that he didn’t really think it through, since I know of no church, ‘crazy bible thumping’ or ‘megachurch’ that doesn’t have women and or children present during the festivities.
It’s a point at which reasonable people can debate or agree, to be sure.
I would be up in arms about it, yes. If they have done something illegal, if they have committed acts of violence, then the proper thing would be to prosecute them as our system allows. Not some vigilante justice fantasy where the righteous burn or gas the supposed guilty for perceived infractions.
Well, there are several key differences, the main one I’ll point out is that the law and the state are authorized to prosecute the law…it’s not up to some asshole who thinks they know what’s right or wrong to go about gassing churches full of supposed bible thumpers or whatever.
-XT
Having the fantasy is acceptable, no doubt; I have violent fantasies too, and I’ll look suspiciously at anyone who says they don’t. The part that’s appalling is where you say it’s only the risk of harm to yourself that prevents you from acting on your violent fantasies. If that’s actually true then, you’ve got some sociopathic shit going on that goes beyond fantasy.
Daniel
smacks ivan repeatedly about the head and shoulders with a wet tuna
Can I be South Ossetia? I love the underdogs.
Back off…I’ve got a Mancunian river carp, and I’m not afraid to use it.